TDD BOARD MEETING TIME CHANGE! NOW 10:00 AM!
Please change you calenders to 10:00 AM for the TDD board meeting on the 26th! I called City Hall this morning for an up-date, and was told of the change.
Please be there if you can, this is important!
Tom Ford
No. 392
Please be there if you can, this is important!
Tom Ford
No. 392
posted by Crestwood Independent at 17:29
89 Comments:
Save a seat for me Tom, front row!
Dont ask Tom to save you a seat...he rarely attends any meetings...he just relies on the hearsay and second hand news he picks up at Denny's and Malones.
And the CALL and the Times.
Oh lordy, looks like Smart A. just can't contain itself. Need to have a whole loop just for it.Imagine having such a tremendous outlook on life and a goal of seeing how often it can try to insult Tom. But, it keeps it off the street. Goodie Goodie Goodie!
Does anyone have a copy of the agenda for tonight's board of alderman meeting? I understand there is a scheduled session regarding personnel issues, and wondered if there was any truth to the rumor that the city administrator is being charged with harassment? Tom, is there any way to verify this or find out what this meeting is about?
No, that was the previous Mayor\City Administrator.
Not only was it the previous Mayor, it was our current Mayor too. Is there some truth to this allgation about the City Administrator?
10:35 am No but we can start something - who cares if it isn't true, people will believe it and it would be so much fun.
..."it was our current Mayor too"
You mean the pathetic attempt by the former CA\Police Chief & his Finance Mistress to save their jobs by trying to set the Mayor up?
9:03 AM blogger: Click on the Crestwood link on this blog and go to the BOA meetings. It will be on there.
And the remark about the C/A is just plain silly, no?
Save you a seat? fear not there are always plenty to go around at a TDD meeting.
Tom Ford
The rumor I heard from my Alderman was that the C/A was ready to resign as he found it almost impossible to work with Roy. That Golterman and the BOA President met with Roy and told him to stop interfering with Franks duties or else, what every that is.
Just what I was told, probably no truth to it at all.
Imagine that! If true, not surprised.
Roger Anderson said last night on channel 2 what is true and should be foremost on our minds. Stop spending money needlessly. We have a lot of good thinkers in our city but it seems nobody wants to pay attention. Spending other peoples money seems to be the younger generations idea. But it will never work. About the $1.00 check issued to Crestwood from the pool, didn't a ward 2 alderman say (loud and clear) it was never issued? I heard that, so how can our government make legal matters fly when there is no paper work. I think if that's the best they can do, maybe we'd do better with St. Louis County making us behave.
10:43 a.m. Yea, county is the answer. It's called government and not one of them are any better than the next. So put up or shut up with st. louis county taking over. Go out and try to get something started with them taking over, or move to a mountain top and live off the land.
No posting regarding the meeting????????????????????
OK, what do would Roger Anderson suggest the City stop spend money on today? The 2008 budget is coming up very soon, if he was in charge (the mayors seat is up for grabs next April Roger)what money is the City now spending needless that if he was in charge he would stop?
I am paying attention, so please fire away with the needless spending that we can take to the BOA and demand they stop?
Or is it time for another State Audit?
2:13 PM blogger: The meeting was attended by few people, but I do have a report on what happened, and it's not good!
It would seem that the TDD board voted to give THF the $295,000.00!
It seems that under currents from ? suggested that the City would be in court with THF if they didn't, so we caved in as usual.
I long for the days when we had people wirth the nerve to stand up to this sort of lunicy! Who in their right mind believes that anyone eaven remotely attached want's this mess exposed to the public in court?
Well the deed is done as they say, so I guess we will wait for the other shoe to drop, and I hope it happens soon!
Tom Ford
4:12 PM blogger: We need more Rodger Anderson's and less spineless bureaucrats, and maybe we will get out of this mess!
Tom Ford
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Its not like Crestwood has to write a check for $295,000 you knuckleheads. I am sure that THF has plenty of in house attorneys that would have all the time in the world to sue the city of Crestwood. If that were the case, then the city would be writing even more checks to pay legal bills--checks that would come out of the city coffers. If you don't like it--don't shop at Kohl's. To restate your creative ad campaign--"Shop Crestwood First, except don't shop at Kohls"
YOU TRUSTED Roy to keep his word last time to stop all this stuff you are so against, are you going to trust him next time?
When it comes to TIFs, TDDs, CIDs, the swim club deal, and now Kohls, he is doing the exact same thing Fagan would have done if he had been elected. Except Fagan didn't promise you something he couldn't do.
Suckers, you were lied to.
5:40 PM blogger: "knuckleheads?" Well, "dimwitta," the school district, the City, the County, and, yes, the State will be out that money until it's paid back to the developer!
There is no free lunch, when will you understand that?
And 5:31 PM blogger: While you sound like Hillary, let me assure you that the "fat lady hasen't sung yet!"
Tom Ford
Well after today's meeting is there anyone left out there that doesn't understand why 'lawyers' have replaced 'used car salesmen' as the most distrusted people on earth? I am watching Hillary Clinton and Maybe one of the most appealing things about her is the fact she has more 'man like convictions' than most modern men. Old sayings like when men were men and women were glad-right on the money! I wonder how long it will take for men to go back to walking on all four because the weak spines are bound to starting showing.
How many citizens attended?
Four
5:40 PM September 26
Your assumptions about the lawsuit and who would pay are incorrect.
Martha Duchild
I didnt know that Martha was an attorney.
9/11/07
"when did I appoint you?"
Roy Robinson
Hey troops! Has anyone seen hide or hair of Tryla Brown?
I have sent her E-mails for two weeks now, and all I get is "I am out of the office" answer.
Is she still working for us or not? If not, how did she get elected to the TDD board replacing Ellen Daly?
There seems to be something going on here that is being kept very close to the vest!
The last "I am out of the office" message said to call Frank Myers, so I did, and I await his return call.
Tom Ford
Why don't you ask the Mayor, he promised us he was going to be a full time mayor, remember?
I don't know Tom another female employee has gone missing. Great where is this going to end up. I guess we will have to wait and see.
There was a meeting regarding personnel issues????? (closed)
I just don't get it. Here on this blog we have crying about TIF, TDD, CID and Pool Deals all the time, yet no one picks up on the fact that our Ways and Means Committee is not doing what the voters told them to do. I am talking about the TIMES article on taxing "service business".
How much money has the city lost since Nov. 2005 when the voters told the City to increase the taxes on the merchants license tax from $1 per $1000 gross receipts to $1.25? How much???
And why the Grandfathering of current business? Did the voters vote for that? No we didn't! So why is the Ways and Means draging their feet? Maybe it's because the Mayor's wife has a business in Crestwood that would be effected by all of this and she doesnt want to pay the taxes we the voters said she should pay?
What gives here Mr. Mayor, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander? I bet we have lost more in tax income from this delay in putting into place what we the voters approved than any chair ordered by any former mayor!
Wonder if Mr. E. Davis would look into this for us? How about that Roger Anderson, you seem to be on a first name basis with Mr. Davis, please aske him for ALL of us.
After all, we voted for it!
6:11 PM 9/26 He got rid of Greer and that was good enough for me and something Fagan would have never done.
you are right..getting Don Greer out of town is the most important issue of all. Lets not lose sight of this. The Mall, shrinking tax receipts, future devopment, police, fire, balanced budget etc. NONE of this is nearly as important of getting rid of Don.
Nor is as important as keeping his wife's business from having to pay the taxes we voters approved in 11/2005.
Hey Tom, the last time a female employee 'disappeared', it was followed by a harassment suit against the city. Same old, same old. I'm sure Roy and Frank will try to cover this up too. Eliot Davis, where are you?
I have it on good authority that Tryla Brown is on personal leave. I do not believe at this time that she has left Crestwood, nor do I see any nafarious plots here!
Tom Ford
10:51 AM And you are saying had we still had Don Greer in Crestwood until his demise, we wouldn't have the same problems we have now with the mall, etc. etc. You are nuttier than a lune????
7:48 Sept. 28
Sales taxes for the service businesses in question are calculated based on square footage, not gross receipts; therefore it was impossible to apply a tax increase based on gross receipts to businesses whose taxes are calculated using square footage.
Martha Duchild
Martha, are you saying that once again the voters of Crestwood have voted for something they didn't understand?
Notes taken by an attendee at the TDD meeting for thoes who could not make it.
Tom
Crestwood Point Transportation Development District Meeting
City of Crestwood, Missouri
September 26, 2007
Members present:
Crestwood Mayor Roy Robinson
Crestwood City Administrator Frank Myers
Attorney Robert Klahr, Armstrong Teasdale
Ian Silberman – THF Realty
Marion Nunn – THF Realty, Chief Operating Officer (conference call)
Others present:
Scott Straub? – Wade Stables
Jim Leahy – placement agent for TDD bonds, Stifel Nicolaus
Lori Bachman – Armstrong Teasdale
Residents present:
Don Clark
Jerry Miguel, Alderman Ward 3
Jim Murphy, Jr.
Jackie Stockhausen
TDD/CID Meeting called to order at 10:00AM
First meeting – Annual Property Owners Meeting
Motion to keep Roy Robinson as chair and Ian Silberman as secretary approved.
Motion to keep share ledger as presented.
Motion to approve minutes.
Voted to replace Frank Myers – re-nominated Frank Myers for a 3-year term ending
May 20, 2010.
Motion to adjourn Property Owner’s Meeting approved.
Second meeting – Meeting of TDD
Motion to accept re-nomination of Frank Myers approved. Acceptance of Jerry Miguel’s resignation. Frank Myers complimented Jerry for his hard work and diligence.
Election of chair and approval of officers:
Frank Myers – Treasurer
Marion Nunn – Assistant Treasurer
Tryla Brown – new Executive Director to replace Ellen Dailey
Tina Flowers – Assistant Secretary
Motion made to approve all officers was approved.
Next, Jim Leahy spoke concerning the bonds. The bonds, totaling $2,805,000.00 are limited obligation guaranteed with a reserve agreement. They will be sold to Great Southern Bank. The scheduled maturity date is April 1, 2032. However, by October 2030, if projections are correct, the bonds should be paid in full (It is expected that the TIF bonds will be paid in full by April 2010). The interest rate on the bonds is 6%. He thanked everyone for their patience and offered to answer any questions.
Frank Myers asked what the present revenue stream is. In 2006, $177,000.00 went to the TDD. One half of that or $88,500 goes to the TIF notes.
Frank Myers also asked about an accelerated payoff if revenues are high. Jim Leahy answered that excess revenue will be applied to the principal.
It was asked if there was a motion to adopt the resolution to sell the bonds. Roy Robinson made the first motion and Frank Myers seconded the motion. All voted in favor.
The next issue concerned the city hall parking lot. A resolution was discussed to enter into an agreement with Cole and Associates to resurface the parking lot. Attorney Klahr stated that while most of the “work” had been done by the TDD board, the board would probably have to meet monthly until next March or April to approve expenditures for the parking lot project. After April, the TDD board would only have to meet once per year. Roy Robinson moved to adopt the resolution with a second by Frank Myers.
The next issue concerned administrative costs totaling $55,519.00 to be paid by the TDD. This payment would be made before the sale of the bonds and the costs are due to the following:
McReynolds – appraisal
Robert Golterman / Lewis, Rice, & Fingersh L.C. –
legal
Land Dynamics
Wade Stables – auditing
Armstrong Teasdale – legal
The next two issues dealt with the auditing of the TDD. Audit figures were presented. The second item was the selection of an auditor. Wade Stables (apparently the only one who submitted bids) was chosen and approved by motion with Roy Robinson making first motion and Frank Myers second. Audits will be performed in 2007, 2008, and 2009. Each audit will cost $2,750 or $8,250 total.
The next item was to appoint an interim director to replace Jerry Miguel. Jim Ekrich was appointed.
Meeting adjourned.
Tom Ford
All of this sounds pretty shady to me.
Where is the canceled check?
Where are the results of the soil testing?
Where is the lost Dutchman Mine?
Is Big Foot real, or just an urban legend?
Why did Alderman Miguel resign?
How can the City afford this kind of revenue drain when we have yet to enforced the voter approved Service Business Merchants tax increase?
How much would this Tax cost Permajack?
These and other questions are still out there to be answered.
8:49
Alderman Miguel resigned because the BOA felt it was not appropriate for an alderman to vote as a member of a redevelopment commission and then vote as a sitting BOA member on that same issue. I think that was the right thing to do.
Thanks Jerry for your answer.
8:49AM
"Where is the lost Dutchman Mine?
Is Big Foot real, or just an urban legend?"
I bet if we found the mine, we would find Big Foot!
11:20 PM Sept. 28
No. My statement is self-explanatory and bears no implications.
Martha Duchild
Martha for Mayor in '08!!
Sounds good to me!
I thought Trueblood was going to run? What about Bland? Just think if Trueblood, Bland, and Robinson all run?
the last time our city was in good shape was when we had a woman as our mayor. Martha for Mayor in '08!!
Sounds good to me!
The last time we had a women in charge the city had money! If she only made some plan for the future.
Yeah, like this Mayor's plans fro the future.
11:49 am I hate to tell you this, but Pat Killoren as good as she was with this city, also wouldn't think of increasing property tax nor did she have a plan, and always counted on sales tax to pay our way.
As much as we all thought she was great, she didn't think about the fact that some day the well was going to dry up. We put all our money in one pot - sales tax. That money also didn't come from Crestwood residents alone, it came from a lot of people who didn't even live in Crestwood, to pay our way through many, many years.
And so it seems that we didn't care if that was happening cause people who shopped here were helping us. But when we have to dig out of our own pockets to make our city work, Pat Killoren as well as other aldermen were never going to see it that way or else they may not get voted in again.
I still say that had we had a better and more comprehensive tax base through the years, we could sustain ourselves now.
Like I have said before, you don't pay the same today for a jar of mustard than you did 20 years ago; so of what benefit was having a low tax rate when we are now suffering because our elected officials were only concerned with themselves.
Our tax in Crestwood even with the small increase is very minimal. So now, let's see who can pull this city back when we have nothing.
First and far most, you will need an undivided board, and I don't see that happening any time soon especially if you hear all the slurs on this blog. It's still the same people telling us one thing and doing another.
We can only hope the alderman put the city first instead of their little tiny seat they hold. For some reason they are afraid to do the right thing and raise the taxes.
Instead the city keeps sliding down the slope, and one day it will be to late to save. Another thing I heard was city employee's have had a one percent raise and a four hundred dollar one time bonus in almost five years. It will only be a matter of time before these employee's are forced to leave for greener pastures.
Have you seen the maintence fleet, it looks about forty years old with the way it looks. There is more rust on the trucks then truck. I don't want to be apart of county so lets do the right thing. Raise taxes to be in line with cities around us and replace the city work vehicle's and not police vehicle's. I know they were replace, and lets retain are people, with pay raises and health insurance. I was told we are loosing another officer to a neighboring city.
Lets do the right thing.
I agree with the last two bloggers 100%.. Let's get a property tax increase on the ballot for the April 2008 election now! Like the previous two said, it's time for leadership at City Hall from our elected officials. It's time for some one to do the right thing for the city, not their elected seat.
I believe we have till Nov. to get property tax increase on the ballot for April'08. Its too late I think to have a special election this year, so the soonest is 2008.
Will the Mayor step forward and support such a ballot, will any of the Aldermen? I guess we will know by end of Nov. if there are any people at City Hall who really want Crestwood to stay afloat.
Our elected Officials "must do the right thing", NOW!!
I truly congratulate you all. You must have money to give to a city that likes to spend.
Didn't you hear the mayor state that there are more cuts in the budget that are able to be made before a tax increase is needed?? Well I have not heard of any such measures being recommended to the BOA.
I agree. More cuts can be made.
Yes, it is up to the Mayor to show us and the BOA the cuts he said he could make just a couple of weeks ago before we have naother tax increase.
Where are the cuts Mr. Mayor, you said could be made?
8:01 am And you think that just by making more cuts, it will solve our problems??? You had best get yourself a reality check. The darn budget is almost bare bones NOW!
The money from more budget cuts is nothing more than a bandaid. I guess you think those cuts in the budget including cutting eployees will buy us new trucks for our park and public works department, and new police cars plus help us maintain all the things in the city that were left in disrepair and neglected for years.
Each department head has a list of things that have never been addressed that need replacement or mass repair, and they have all been at a loss to hold things together for years. Talk to the fire chief or the head of public works!!!
Previous administrators were more interested in new and high tech computers and building a kiosk that we needed like a hole in the head.
All these years, people would come into the city clerk's office and ask for directions to navigate city hall or to get information on where to go in Crestwood, but we had to build that Kiosk and nobody ever said NO to Mr. Greer and Company or any of his elaborate schemes.
And Yes, we are now down to bare bones, and we want to blame this administration for everything. It started long ago and we need to do something about it and stop the insanity.
No More political factions please. They are self-serving and not in the best interest of us that count!
This whole administration is suffering from the remains of war and we are broke and we need a property tax increase not a bunch of bandaids. We need a cure.
All our departments are suffering and dealing with old equipment and piecing things together because we don't have any money.
While the previous administrator was all about the police department, the Fire Department got nothing. Thanks to many of our firefighters who had mechanical skills and construction skills, that area has been maintained IN HOUSE. They didn't even get a new fire truck years ago because we couldn't afford it. They got a USED ONE. If we couldn't afford a new one many years ago, why were we going to give the police a new 1.4 million dollar police facility. Is that fair?
Salaries will stay low like our tax rate that hasn't had a good upgrade in 25 years. You can't keep good people and not give them enough money to sustain themselves.
I don't know what it will take to light a fire underneath our officials. Maybe we should start talking to our aldermen and maybe they can convince the mayor to start discussing taxes.
Why can't we start with town hall meetings with residents to explain to them why a tax increase is needed. We need charts and graphs and visual aids placed in the lobby showing how much we need tax wise to keep our city going. Making a full effort to show the residents where the tax dollars would be spent; then make our aldermen accountable to keep it that way.
Come on folks, just look at other municipalities like Kirkwood and Webster and other cities. Wake up before it is too late. Talk to your aldermen and tell them you wouldn't object to a tax increase and I don't mean just a few pennies.
Thanks
This Mayor said there were more cuts to be made before we have to increase taxes. This mayor said he had a plan when he ran for this office.
Is this what you mean by "political factions"? I'm just quoting the Mayor, is that wrong?
Good luck in getting him to change his mind on increasing taxes before the filling date for next years election for mayor.
To 10:51 a.m
I did not say that Crestwood would be able to maintain by making additional cuts. I don't believe that will solve our problem. We have known this for over 2 years but the mayor wants to "pay as you go". Not me...been over 2 years of knowing the financial situation Crestwood is in and have no solution regarding the budget. I guess Crestwood will be just like most Americans, check to check until foreclosure!
In order to pass a property tax increase, Crestwood will have to gain the voters trust. The past seven years have not been exactly sunshine and roses. You want voters to give more of their hard-earned money, show accountability. Show need. Show efficiency.
6:28 PM I agree that we need accountability. What about our new board of aldermen members giving us accountability?
Should they not be checking numbers and "money in"/"money out", instead of listening to the numbers somebody else gives them. If I were an aldermen, first of all I would make sure I had enough time to do my own research and make these mathmatical geniuses we have on board a chance to earn their money.
In my own household, I get my balance from my bank accounts at least twice a week because I always want to know exactly where I am. If I overspend, I make sure that I put back that amount with my next check. You have to do it diligently or it will get away from you very fast.
We had people before that did nothing but believe what they were told, and it should have taught us that we can't do that anymore. That's what a good alderman does.
Anybody can sit on the dais and look at their watch and yawn. What about our City Attorney. Is he just spreading himself so thin with municipal government that he should only be given ordinances to draft? All he cares about is his paycheck if you ask me.
I am telling you that we have got ourselves in a mess, and if the new guys on the block can't show us that they have our financial crisis at the top of their list, then they are doing what the other ones did, want the title but not the work.
Surely, they can show us by having town hall meetings, and using hands on research to give us the confidence that we deserve. We elected them to be our watchdogs; if all they are going to do is play politics, we have nothing.
Nope, in my mind, we will need a property tax increase because we have elected people in the past that never gave a tinkers darn about us. It's too late to try to recup. Done!
"we have elected people in the past that never gave a tinkers darn about us"
Really tired of talking about the "past". Crestwood's mayor is becoming part of the "past". He has been in office long enough, that we should have seen more progress towards stablizing the Crestwood's budget. The choice is simple: increase revenue, reduce expenses and trim services. No one wants to do any of them except whine about not having enough sales tax. That is not the only solution to increasing revenue.
What's a "tinker's darn"?
10:18 PM There are other ways to increasing revenue? To the point that we can turn things around?
Pray tell, what are those ways? Can you name some please.
And to the blogger that wants to stop looking at past mistakes and concentrate on just this mayor!!!! Those who do not take past history into the equasion, may repeat it.
You try becoming mayor and see what you can do in three years when "history" tells us that we have always depended on sales tax alone for everything and our mall is practically dead.
All I heard from Mayor Killoren was that everything in Crestwood was bought and paid. Well not anymore. Things have changed.
Yes times have changed, now there are TIF, TDD CID and eminent domain. None of which this mayor and the majority of the current BOA support.
Don't for get what our current Mayor ran on, he was going to "bring Crestwood back".
Now we find out that he didn't have a clue what he was getting into or how to turn anything back.
11:19 PM blogger: It's actually a "last" that Tinkers (shoemakers) used to make shoes on.
1:34 PM You are right about your comments, but the previous board did support TIF's TDD's and CID's and didn't think we needed Crestwood to be turned around. That to me was even more scary! You should look at expenditures that transpired 4 and 5 years ago. You would have thought we had a sales tax windfall.
Now don't blow a gasget! I am not saying that this mayor is doing everything right; all I am saying is that at that time, we had to pick one out of two candidates, and Fagan was going to let Greer bleed us dry. Wouldn't it scare you to hear someone proclaim himself KING like Don Greer did! I heard him say it in front of several people. Then, of course, what KING doesn't drive a brand new BMW and make the city pay for it - after all he was worth it. I say, look at who was in charge of the STORE then and tell me you weren't scared too.
Unfortunately, Roy didn't know that he was stepping into some concrete shoes. BUT, in in my opinion, nobody up there including his new CA and at least 4 aldermen are willing to help him along. This CA has no clue what has transpired in the last 30 years - not really!!! Greer on the other hand didn't care what was transpiring, and just kept spending and spending. If he didn't get what he wanted, he would threaten to quit.
And Fagan, as many years as he was on the board, was willing to let Don Greer control everything.
Several years ago when Fagan was on the board of aldermen, he should have known money problems were on the horizon. Example: The Fire Department needed a new fire truck. They got a used one instead. Why else would we purchase a used one. Especially when new police cars and new equipment was given to the Police Department anytime Greer snapped his finger. Why was it OK for the fire department to have a used fire truck, when 4 years later, we were going to build a brand new police department for the cops?
I feel like maybe Roy has faulted in some ways, but in some other ways, instead of trying to help him, people are waiting to see him fall on his face; sacrificing the residents of Crestwood by playing politics. No Roy may not speak like a fresh young lawyer, and he may not have proper allecution, and he may not have the elegance of some young, handsome man, but I still say that I would have him than someone who is part of the reason we are in this mess.
If I had the guts, and could stand being chastised for my efforts, I would run for office myself.
At least I would be honest and do what is right for Crestwood instead of playing around with political factions.
4:52 PM Blogger: "A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but once"
My Grandmother, Ruth Gordon used to tell me that when I was afraid, or worried.
Get the paperwork, file, and to heck with those who would make dumb remarks about you!
These wanna be third rate ward healers have no chance to insult you, unless you let them (internally.) Please look at my line of thinking, "It's better to give than to receive!" That's why I try to give the heart attacks, not get them.
"Illitigimous Non Carburendum"
Tom Ford
Pat Killoren and her BOA actually made many many fine and asthetic changes which enhanced our city mightily. Of course, they had the funds and the Mall was active. Granted the unforceeable future was not looming and they did not save for a rainy day. Mayor Vitalis reduced our tax prior to Mrs. Killoren and this rate was the envy of the county.
Now, I have to wonder - in full knowledge of failing revenues and as someone mentioned, failing equipment and infrastructure, how could the Fagan and Robertson folks determine that the saving grace came in the form of a 14.5 Million dollar city hall upgrade?
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
Excellent post!
5:31 Oct. 5 Yes, I also agree, excellent post. You are asking the same question I have been asking. The only answer that I can come up with is that Fagan and Robertson were under Greer's spell and Greer was real good at getting people to believe his bull. When you deal with a sociopathic monster, who is only self-motivated and self-absorbed, you need to check out his past which nobody did. A person with a record like he had, should never be the guardian of people and their welfare.
To this day, I am sure that Fagan, and Robertson both will sing his praises even after they have seen the destruction they have caused.
The newspaper in Wood River, Illinois told the story of how Greer mishandled and mismanaged money and how long it took them to get things back to normal. Why nobody cared or bothered about it is beyond me.
If you are having 25,000 dollars worth of work done on your house, do you not check to see if there are any claims against the person doing the work? Or do you just take your chances of loosing your money.
Don Greer had a history of wanting his own empire and didn't care what he had to do to get it. He didn't care who he stepped on or whose life he destroyed. No different than Napolean. Short guy thing, I guess.
The man is dead, have you no respect?
3:47 You have to earn respect.
How long were you a police office? How many times have you put your life on the line to protect and serve those who can not do so them selves? How long have you gone to work each day with a back injury caused in the line of duty?
That demands respect, even from such a low life as you, who would post as you did while remaining the anonymous liberal scum bag that you are.
4:45PM blogger: To whom do you refer in your blog? Are you saying that Mr. Greer was on the street with a bad back every day? I don't know if it is him, but I am curious?
Tom Ford
I am referring to poster 12:06, the biggest jerk you have ever allowed to post on your blog.
Yes, Tom, Don hurt his back while doing undercover drug work in ILL. He hurt his back and never recovered 100% of the feeling in his leg and foot after surgery.
Did you ever hear him complain or say anything that would indicate that he felt sorry for himself? Did any of his officers that he served as their Chief?
He just went back to school when he could no longer work as he had been trained, as a Police Officer, to get more education (a Masters Degree I believe)so that he could be a Chief of Police and stay in the trade. It was while in school that he worked for the State of Ill in law enforcement, and the rest has been published all over your blog.
Why do you ask, does it make a difference in how you respect or feel about him now? Kind of late isn't it?
7:49 PM Watch out who you call a "jerk". What Don Greer has gone through in his life is nothing more than what a lot of people go through. Life has it's twists and turns you know but let's not have a "pity party" for him cause I don't buy it. Sounds to me like he did OK in spite of his injuries. But I will tell you that it is nothing compared to what he has done to others in his lifetime.
No, you can feel as you do about the likes of Mr. Greer and that's your opinion. Plus in your adamant comments to defend him and his integrity so much, I cannot help but wonder if you also slept with him like so many others?
Plus it really shouldn't upset you what anybody says about him, especially if you feel you are so correct about his honor and courage. God is the only one now that he has to tape dance for to get his way.
And I would look at yourself when you start calling people scum bags, as it sounds like you were totally hung up on the biggest one of them all, Don Greer.
Unless you have seen people suffer at his hands, don't ever call me a jerk because I have seen people suffer from his lies and deceit.
As I said before, you have to earn respect; just because he had hard times in his life, doesn't make him King. People suffer all the time with things that happen to them in living life; but Don Greer made people suffer because it made him look powerful and he got away with it.
As for you, the way you speak of him, I can only surmise that you were one of his humble handmaids. That's what happens when you only walk on one side of the street and don't bother looking on the other side. Walk on the other side of the street sometime, it could possibly open up your eyes as to another side of him that you don't know about and obviously don't want to know about.
Being a CA, doesn't give anybody the right to treat people like dirt. Unless you were hand-picked by him or one of his "girls" and he had a new one every time you turned around, you were scum to him and were treated as such.
I have the same right as you to say the way I feel. I state what I know, and you state what you think you know or want to know. Don Greer was for Don Greer. If you want to be part of his mutual admiration society, go right ahead; but don't call me names if I see him for the part you don't want to know.
So put a sock in your mouth and shut the heck up. If you can call me a jerk, well, you better look into a mirror.
7:49PM blogger: Well now we know! I am speachless! If he could no longer work as a police officer what the heck was he doing in the job of POLICE CHIEF?
I have to tell you that I never heard him complain because he was in the office most of the time! Has anyone ever seen him in a uniform with a firearm?
I have two serving sons in police work (one with a very bad back, in North County) that hit the "street" every day (as did I, and BOA President Roby!)
That dosen't wash with me friend, I am sorry about his "injury," but I will tell you that the lions share of serving officers "hit the street" with more than that each and every day!
Respect? Please tell me you have more that just that to plead your case! And as for the remark about "a little late," well no it isn't! I am still waiting to find a reason to respect him.
Tom Ford
Tom, you and the previous poster are the lowest form of human scum.
Your hate for a dead man who can not defend himself prove how much class both of you are lacking. Common sense would tell you that he didnt wear a uniform when he was under cover, that his gun was also conceled.
Are you sure you want to take the position that becase you never saw him in uniform or saw his gun (what is it with you guys having to see another man's gun, is it a "size" issue?)he didnt qualify as a "real" police officer?
You should never forget that Mr. Greer was hired with a approval vote of our current Mayor as an Alderman ,a man with a background in Federal Law Enforcement.
In closing, as I re-read scum bag's post it dawned on me that maybe he was jealous because Mr. Greer never hit on him. You guys sure have an issue with sex and seeing the other man's gun don't you!
7:41 Well if you can't respect a man when he is alive, how can you respect him after he is gone?
Relax. You are of the opinion that just because he has had to suffer in his life, that it makes him worthy of praise. We as human beings all have to suffer some physical pain because that comes with the life package. But it doesn't make him any better than anybody else because of it.
The mayor and board of aldermen approved his appointment but the CA at that time didn't do a background check like he was suppose to. Even after Mayor Killoren was on his back about it, the CA never did it.
Now, getting back to life and death. It's a pity when anybody's life is deminished too fast and too early and it is very sad. I never said that I was happy about it. The death of anyone is not a pretty thing.
But no matter what you call me, there is one thing that I am not and that's a hypocrite. I can tell that you obviously admired or loved the man and I am sorry for your loss but .... that's your call! Just don't tell me I have no respect and call me names cause when you do that, then YOU have no respect for the living.
Lastly, you obviously don't have a problem disgracing me because of the way I feel. Therefore, we both can sit at our computers and call each other names, which gets us nowhere.
I know a lot of things about Don Greer. One example. I know what he did to cover things up and protect his friend in the Police Department. He demoted a Major to give his buddy in the PD the title. The new Major, sexually harrassed two female Crestwood police officers, to illustrate the character of this young Major. Greer covered the incident up and when the cops filed suite, the female cops both got 20,000 each and were able to keep their jobs. That's 40,000 in city money. The major couldn't get another job and leave Crestwood fast, so Mr. Greer found him one and nobody was the wiser. The two female cops have since left Crestwood. That is just one example. That gets him no respect in my book.
Had that cop been you or I, we would have been "history" asap. And that is just one of several things Mr. Greer did.
I am not going to continue the bantor about Don Greer. If he was good to you, praise him; but I have a right to say what I feel and let's end it at that.
Words like scum bag and whatever else you want to call me is just "sticks and stones" to me.
You see things your way, and I see them differently.
"I know a lot of things about Don Greer. The new Major, sexually harrassed two female Crestwood police officers, to illustrate the character of this young Major. Greer covered the incident up and when the cops filed suite, the female cops both got 20,000 each and were able to keep their jobs. That's 40,000 in city money. The two female cops have since left Crestwood. That is just one example. That gets him no respect in my book."
Poster 9:37 you are so wrong I ALMOST feel sorry for you. The truth is it wasn't the new major who harassed two female cops, in fact it wasn't a male at all, it was one female cop filling against another female cop for sexual harassment.
The reality is not that we see things differently, it's that I deal with the truth, not fiction and rumors.
4:06 PM No, that is what you were told and you believed it. I know the one cop very well and she told me what happened and she has no reason to lie. Plus why did both female cops get 20,000 a piece.
The major is somebody I also know, and when Greer got him a job after he left Crestwood, with a company dealing with police car equipment, Greer had the audacity to call this same guy back and had him train the two female cops regarding the new equipment in their police cars.
You have been duped and if you want to believe that story, it's your call but I am telling you I heard this from the one female cop and she told me while I stood right there at the Crestwood Kisok.
You have been lied to. The female cop had no reason to lie about it plus she got a wade of money from the city.
Greer told you that story just like he always lied when it came to his chosen few friends. And that isn't the first time, but you go ahead and believe what you want cause it makes no difference to me. I am just surprised that you can be so clueless.
7:41 Am blogger: Thank you so much for your post that gives us a "window" into the life of Mr. Greer!
From what I gather from your trite diatribe he was "under cover" full time in Crestwood, and hid his gun? I had heard that he had to be given a gun to respond to the Best Buy suspect in the ceiling, but now I am begining to believe it.
Now as we peer deeper into your comments we see that you seem to be fixated on sex, and homophobia! Why is that when your attempting to add validity to the career of Mr. Greer? Is there a connection there that we should know about, or are you just making an attempt to smear thoes who disagreed with him?
My position is simple, you have Police Chief's (such as we have now,) who wear the uniform, and get out of the office, and you have thoes who couldent find a city street without a map!
I don't want to see one of the latter ever again here in Crestwood! If I am helping to pay the salary, I want to see him here in two minutes or less, and without a "palm pilot" in his hand!
Now as to hating a dead man, nope, I wouldent waste my time there, too many other things to do.However as the other blogger stated, you have your opinion, I have mine, so I will let it go.
By the way, while I am at it, if you ever wish to be taken seriously by me you have to sign your name! Your good at atttempting to hurl insults at your fellow blogger's, but you turn into a devout coward when it comes time to tell us who you are!
Tom Ford
If remainng anonymous means I am a coward, then on this blog I have a lot of company
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