Marxism in America today? Well when you click on this header to view the retired Green beret General's comments it should get somewhat lively indeed!
Please watch this video by clicking on the header and then tell us your reaction. I an going to reserve my comments until you all have your opportunity to comment!
Conservative or liberal we all have a stake in America, and if this man is correct we owe it to our children and grand children to stop this menace in it's tracks!
Tom Ford
NO. 916
Conservative or liberal we all have a stake in America, and if this man is correct we owe it to our children and grand children to stop this menace in it's tracks!
Tom Ford
NO. 916
posted by Crestwood Independent at 17:57
44 Comments:
same stuff, different thread. You are consistent, I'll give you that.
9:03 pm Blogger: Know what, when it comes to the security of this great Republic, your completely right!
In the 60's I (and a lot of others) took an oath to defend this great Nation from ALL ENEMIES, foreigner and DOMESTIC. When I left the Navy that oath was not rescinded, so I intend to keep it to the end.
America is under siege by those who would remove our freedoms granted by God and the Constitution and replace them with the Marxist / socialist failed ideas of Europe.
Every day we see more and more of the trappings of socialism, and fewer references to Liberty and Freedom (no school prayer, the words "Under God" left off of monuments ETC.)
I firmly believe that I and in fact all Americans have a sacred duty to preserve those freedoms that men and women have sacrificed so much to preserve!
Maybe I am just an old goat who still stands when the Flag passes by, and maybe I am out of your main stream (what ever that is,) but I do believe that " For those who fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know!"
So, plan on me posting anything that I see that works for the preservation of that freedom we hold so dear!
Tom Ford
My point exactly. Decades ago, Reagan proclaimed that the end of America was coming and Socialism was taking over because of Medicare. That was, of course, baloney, as it is now. Every so often, Conservatives lose their minds and parade out retired military people to gravely warn us the sky is falling, and it's always the same thing: nothing happens, and we keep plugging along, decade after decade, just fine, and not in the grips of evil Marxist dictators. Pardon me while I am not freaking out just yet. This alarm bell has been rung so many times it would make the boy who cried wolf laugh.
1: 53 PM Blogger: You tell me, have we ever been this close to the edge (Marxist / Socialism) before?
I for one will "ring that bell" as often as I can for my aforementioned reasons. Shouldn't you be joining me?
Tom Ford
Well, no, thanks, though. As previously stated, this alarm bell has sounded so many times I am immune to it. Why? Because it isn't happening.
5:39 PM Blogger: ?, it is happening right under your nose. Look at it as the old Lobster in the cold pot trick.
Tom Ford
yes, just like Medicare would destroy this country and make us all socialists? Or not.
10:46 PM Blogger:
"yes, just like Medicare would destroy this country and make us all socialists?"
Let's look at it this way. Medicare in it's purest form may have been a good idea, however just like ALL Socialist programs it has become a way of life for far too many.
Unless we ALL want to give up our funds for "the common good" it will drain this Nation, (it's happening as we speak.) Medicare is broke, social security is broke, welfare is out of hand, and what do the politicians want? You bet, more of our hard earned money for THEIR failed programs.
Please note the failure to cut spending in Washington, and the so called budget impasse we see unfolding before us. The mantra of "tax the rich," and the class warfare put forth by both sides makes me ill.
Life is not, and never will be fair. But the harder you work and save the better off you should be, right? Well the politicians tell us that's not right, we MUST give until it hurts (ever notice that they don't give up one darn thing?)
Marxist / Socialism is and has been a failure everywhere it has been tried. Why, oh why does anyone want it in America?
Tom Ford
"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in 1875.
Liberalism, failing the world since 1875 and America since 1931
Well OK Tom. I see your point but.... Does this mean, according to you, that you are willing to not accept Medicare upon your retirement and just have a medical insurance premium to pay all your hospital/medical bills?
I have Medicare and a Supplement insurance policy. But some seniors only have Medicare. My explanation of benefits for petscans, and x-rays, etc. are unbelievable. The doctors would gouge us if Medicare didn't pick up most of the cost.
Are you willing to pay thousands of dollars - usually covered by Medicare - out of your own pocket if you get sick? I don't have that kind of money, do you? If you think without medicare, your health insurance coverage alone will cover hospitalization, doctor visits, x-rays, I can tell you that your health insurance premiums would become over the top and cost prohibitive and you won't be able to afford it.
Medicare may be Marxist but the government started giving it to us, and if you are going to give us Medicare and have us depend on it and now all of a sudden take it away from us, HA! I don't think so or else the hospitals won't be getting paid by lots of us seniors and the domino effect will just keep escalating.
If you are so against it, let see you go without it! If they want to cut spending, I am sorry but don't cut it from me. Are you ready to become a martyr and say no to it when it is a choice between heating your home in the winter and air conditioning in the summer. Are you willing to stand behind your beliefs?
Senior citizens will never be able to afford to go to the doctor or hospital in that case. I am old but not dead and I, for one, do not like it when I am given something by the government and have it taken away from me when I didn't cause the problem to begin with.
What about that?
6:37 PM Blogger: No you didn't cause the problem, politicians who want to stay in Washington did.
I don't have Medicare as part of my contract with the United States Navy was health care for me via the V.A. However my wife has it, and I see no problem keeping it for her.
Medicare and social security WILL NEVER BE CUT (politicians want to be reelected remember, and who is the largest voting block? We are.)
My references to Marxism / Socialism stem from the programs that allow illegal aliens, people who will not work, and assorted idiot programs to pay them for doing nothing!
The fools in Washington say they are looking for ways to cut and yet these "welfare queen" programs seem to be sacrosanct, no?
Mr. Trueblood explained Marxism to us above, but to that I would opine that Dame Margret Thatcher was completely correct when she said, "The only problem with liberalism is that sooner or later they run out of other peoples money." (paraphrased.)
That nails the essence of my point, cut the Czars, cut the welfare rolls, cut the useless agency's, send ALL the illegals we find home and provide for the common defense and OUR OWN PEOPLE before we waste one more bullet in Libya and Afghanistan.
I remember Laos and Viet Nam very well, (ask some of us who were there) we weren't allowed to win the war, only to loose our friends and family members, and I fear that's the "battle plan" now.
If they really wanted cut's it's simple. Turn loose the troops and air power and the war will be over in 6 months or less.
Remember these people were fighting have sworn to kill ALL infidels (that's us) so why bother with the "be nice" programs. Remember that the object of war is to break things and kill people until they give up, so what's the hold up?
I know this is a long way around the tree to answer you but maybe now you will realize that I am not against helping our seniors (me) nor am I against helping those who really need it, just the bum's who drain the coffers every day and do not intend to help refill them!
Tom Ford
Tom, now that you have explained it further, I could not have said it better. You are so correct.
9:33 AM Blogger: Thank you and I am sorry I did not do it right (the explanation) the first time.
But hey, it did get us some useful comment's, no?
Tom Ford
Tom,
If you really want to understand the mind set of a liberal, ask them to explain the difference between their current push for "sharing the wealth/spread the wealth, share the cost" and Karl Marx's quote ""from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
I have asked and to date no one has told me the difference. I have been told I am a fascist for asking and my question is nothing more than commie baiting,but still no answer.
Hey let me say something! Tom is right, it got us to comment on a very important issue and one of many that will not go away anytime soon.
Liberal/Conservative! The things that have happened in this Country, now and prior, are a mixture of things good and bad made by both parties. Some have made us proud and some not so proud.
Every politician who was ever elected, has had the same tools to make this a better world. Some have used them wisely and others have not - from both parties.
However, I am not going to use up the valuable time I have left on this earth pointing my fingers and racking my brain to figure out who to crucify!
I believe Tom when he says America is under seige by those who would remove our freedoms granted by God and the Constitution.
We need good, honest polticians if there are any out there. We need to be smarter and not be so impressed by words and a hand shake from candidates who do not care about you and me.
But, I firmly believe that this is still the greatest country in the world and the people in it will never allow Marxism to destroy it.
We have become a country which has been so secure of itself, that we fail to see the enemies that sneak into our environment like a thieves in the night wanting to swallow us up and take all our freedoms away.
We all need to be vigilant and we all need to speak out when our politicians fail us. If they do, we need to tell them they will be gone and replaced. Otherwise We, the people of the United States will take over where they failed. We just will not allow America to fail, period! Too many have died for it and too many sacrifices have been made to keep us free.
10:36 AM Blogger: Tim, as you know there IS no difference which is why they resort to calling you names! The truth hurts them like sunlight on Dracula, and the must lash out!
Tom Ford
1:58 PM Blogger: Well said! We must however keep a sharp eye on those that would "tear down to rebuild," as they are much more sinister than the run of the mill left wing progressive / liberal.
As the temperature has been somewhat elevated today, and seeing I will be out in it all next week I decided to stay in and watch the National geographic special on the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party.
If you watched it (the early years) there is a striking resemblance to what were seeing today and then. Germany was flat broke after WW1, and started to print more money to pay it's debts (were doing that now.)
The result was hyper inflation, and the people gravitated to the party that gave them "hope" and promised change. For a while it was just fine as the German people were back to work (were not,) and National spirit took over the land.
I needn't go into the dark years as I hope we all know the results of that, we do don't we?
So as a man once said "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." I agree whole heartedly, and fear that unless we get a handle on ALL the politicians in Washington were going down that path!
Tom Ford
"If you really want to understand the mind set of a liberal, ask them to explain the difference between their current push for "sharing the wealth/spread the wealth, share the cost" and Karl Marx's quote ""from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
Okay, I will give my slant, if you're interested. if not, please feel free to disregard.
So, what you have there is a quote from Karl Marx, and in your opinion, the speaker made the words evil. That right there is a bit alarming, but that's not the point. I mean, many have views we don't agree with, such as Walt Disney being an anti-semite, but that doesn't make everything they say wrong or evil.
Think about the United States tax code. based on your household income, you rank in a certain tier, or tax bracket. In theory, those who earn the most would pay the most, because their incomes are the highest. It is how our tax codes have been set up. How is this Marxist? Are you stating that we shouldn't pay taxes because at some point Karl Marx encouraged a similar mind set?Taxes are what runs this country and pays for many evil socialist things, such as public schools, state and national parks, as well as Medicare and social security. "Sharing the wealth", as you put it, is something that's been going on in this country for generations. I wonder if you refuse to visit parks or send your kids to public schools because Karl Marx might have approved.
Now I get to ask you a question: as a total and complete conservative, how do you reckon an explanation for perserving Bush's tax breaks for the top 1% of earners? How do you reconcile the fact that you or I actually pay more taxes in many cases than someone who earns millions. (unless you're not paying taxes because of your Marx fear). Please explain why that would be allowed under our tax system. The loopholes are there, yes, and maybe the tiny taxes they pay is all legal. But it's wrong and you know it. So, please justify that, if you would. Also, while we're at it, please explain Tea Party people at rallies screaming about the evils of socialism while they hold signs warning not to touch their medicare.
Also, all the nasty, ugly remarks on here are welfare recipients is obnoxious. Do you actually know any of the working poor? Eager, hard workers holding down 2 jobs and trying to feed their kids? People who work 15 hours a day and still need welfare to pay the bills? Or are all of the welfare recipients shiftless, lazy leeches out to pick your pocket? I am curious if you've ever known one of these "worthless" recipients or if you're making broad, sweeping generalizations? I have known more than a few of these individuals, and it is the most insane thing I have ever heard to call those people lazy. Most I have known work themselves to death and are horrified that they need the extra help.
L?
10:44 PM Blogger: The BUSH tax code? No my friend it was CONGRESS that voted on and adopted that piece of legislation!
How do I justify it, well for one thing the tax break does not only cover the top 1% (your buying into the class warfare of the democrat mantra.)
Secondly, have YOU ever gone to a poor person and asked for a job? No you haven't have you.
Three things needed to succeed in life (education, skill, and work ethic) are typically missing in the group you mentioned. Working two jobs is not un-heard of in America today, and if the Precedent gets his way it may be the norm.
In my lifetime I have lost jobs, been un-employed for 6 months or more, and had to rely on the ,megar savings we had to survive with two kids in the home.
At no time did I receive (or have I ever) un-employment, food stamps, or welfare. No, in fact I worked very low paying jobs to make what I could to feed the family, so please loose the "woe is me" comments.
I, and a lot of others succeeded in life because we continued to learn and master our trade, we showed up for work every day, and we didn't whine about what we had to do, we just did it!
"L?" the horse your riding is at best lame, so please take the bleeding heart liberal mantra, and class warfare somewhere else as I am all stocked up here with people who just want a free Ride and let us pay for it!
Now as it was Mr. Trueblood who made the original comment you have a problem with I will let him continue if he so chooses.
Tom Ford
"Class warfare"? What on earth are you talking about? I'm not waging war on a certain class at all...I am defending their position. You are the one calling them lazy and feeling so proud because you never used government help. That makes you more elitist than I am. And I will bet the cost of living when you experienced it was a little different than it is now. If having 2 jobs and working 15 hours a day isn't "Just doing it", then I don't know what is. I'll take my bleeding heart liberal mantra any day over the "i got mine and screw you" attitude of yours. I am a firm believer in helping fellow Americans,even the ones that have fallen on hard times. I am not out for only myself.We are in this together, and we are all here in one country. Your attitude is what's warped this country. Want to get upset about ugly words being called freedom of expression? Other's words, but not yours, I guess. And, I ask, what is the Republican Party offering up as a "change"? Who do we have? Michelle bachman? Please. Sarah Palin? Not even close. Mitt Romney? Sure, yeah, right. He's a hypocrit of the worst kind. Citicizing Obama's health care when he passed the same thing in his own state? Yeah, um, no. Herman Cain? Again, no. He's a narrow minded bigot. So Now I ask you...who are you offering up than SOOO much better than Obama? I have not seen one name that can even successfully debate him or anyone else. So, Mr. Everyone-is-wrong-but-me, tell me who would you see in office creating this conservative utopia where no one gets help and all immigrants are rounded up and shipped off and most public aid systems are eliminated? What name will create this beautiful land of far-right heaven? I see no one in the field as yet that will ever have a chance of winning even the nomination, let alone the White House. And as for my "lame horse", at least I have one in the race at all.
L?
Oh, and as an aside, the Bush tax cuts are simply the name of that particular tax code. I am fully aware that CONGRESS passed them. I am not so niave as to think Mr. Bush had nothing to do with that getting passed, though. Are you?
"L" First of all, you need to calm down because you are going to "stroke out"! This business of Demos and Rep. will never change.
So you may as well save your breath!
Both sides have made many mistakes, but you will never, ever get dye in the wool Demos. or Reps. to blame their parties for any wrong doing. People have been trying to do that for years; and it never works.
I come from very humble beginnings. My parents didn't even go to high school. I was always taught that Demos. were for the poor and Reps. were for the rich. I personally have voted both ways because I vote for the person and not the party. But my family was Demos. They came from poor immigrants who came to America seeking a better life.
My grandparents couldn't read or write and many times I was the one who had to deceifer important documents or sign their names to papers.
My mom worked in a factory and my dad painted houses. Together, they never cleared $100 per week. Had my grandparents not been allowed to come to America, I probably wouldn't be here. But they were all Demos.
"L" a lot of what you say I agree with, but you will never get either side to admit any mistakes were made while they were in office.
"L" let me ask you this! How is it possible that we in this country are so smart and so brilliant that we can put a man on the moon, but we cannot agree on the basics to sustain our existence with one another on this planet????
Now that it is so vital to the state of our Country that we put our heads together, can we STILL NOT put our political preferences aside and work together for the COMMON GOOD. Does either party know what COMMON GOOD MEANS?
The country that both Demos and Reps live in is in serious crisis. These representatives took an oath to protect their consitutency. We in this Country are about to go into Cardiac Arrest and still....it's the Same Old S----! Demos versus Rep.
"L" save yourself from high blood pressure. Don't go there; only 50% of those reading this blog - if that much - will understand what you say. It will always be party politics over people.
"Are you stating that we shouldn't pay taxes because at some point Karl Marx encouraged a similar mind set?"
No, what I am saying or better still asking is this question:
What is the difference between,
"share the wealth, tax the rich, and
"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?
Doesn't matter who said it, or when, doesn't matter if Walt Disney was anti Semite or not, quit trying to deflect the question.
What is the difference?
I answered the question. Our tax code is set up that way and has been for generations. That is why I pointed out that all words from anyone's mouth aren't wrong. Would you prefer we all pay the same flat amount of taxes? If so, how much each? $100 each per year? $1,000? What's appropriate for your income versus Bill gates? Now answer mine: do you refuse to pay taxes because Karl Marx might have approved of our tax bracket system?
Still no one has offered up a name of who will "turn this country around" and make it the far right utopia you dream of. Who will do this for your party?
7:17 AM Blogger: Who am I offering that is so much better than OBAMA? Simple, ANYONE!
Sorry but you are into "class warfare" as you want to insure the "RICH' give up their hard earned money to support those who will not work!
As for my being proud of never being on the dole, darn right I am, and if some of these bums who will not work tried it we would ALL be better off.
You know your comments sound like you might work in Hospital management where they pay their cleaning, maintenance, and nurses aids next o nothing but charge $6.00 for an aspirin! If the people you seem to know want a better job, they are out there but it will take the things I mentioned above that you so conveniently left out of the equation.
Yes time were different when I was doing what I had to do but the salaries and costs were relevant to the times as they are today. When I came home from the Navy weekly salaries were $55-65.00 dollars and gas was less expensive than today.
Fast forward to a Country where gas is $3.59 a gallon and weekly salaries are up by comparison, and you will see no difference!
By the way your man in the White House has presided over the greatest debt increase in American history (4 TRILLION DOLLARS) in three years with no end in sight, and now is whining that he can't have his way, what say you to that?
"L?" a Blogger above gave you some very good advise above, you really should consider taking it as your premise, and your statements really don't hold water. 80% of the American public want the debt cut, and the same 80% want a cap on spending and yet you and your party wish to pay no attention to them, why is that?
Tom Ford
what part of "working 15 hour days holding down 2 jobs" sounds like refusing to work to you? You see what you want to see, I suppose.
Aaand we still have no answer. I'll ask again: who should take over as president? Obviously, as, shall we say, forceful, as your opinions are, you have a name in mind. Who, then, if you please, for the 3rd time?
6:58 PM Blogger: LAME and you know (or should) know it!
Are you part of the reason these "friends" have to work these long hours? What have YOU done to help that situation?
Oh wait, your not into helping with your money, just telling us how to spend our money!
I guess you missed that part (very convenient) that said (will not work,) or do you just pass that by as it doesn't fit your agenda?
I really am beginning to believe you are in fact a Hospital administrator as you have NO solutions, just your agenda!
Tom Ford
What on God's earth are you talking about? You know absolutely NOTHING about what I do or don't do to help anyone's situation. What do you do to help others? Espouse your "valuable" advice and strongly urge them to do what you tell them to? Or, because they need help, do you simply call them liberals and tell them to get a job no matter how many they already have?
So, since you're all about solutions, please share yours with all of us. First, who would you have be president to solve this awful problem? You cannot seem to produce a single name. I find that interesing, with all your talk about "standing by your convictions". Answer the question, for the 4th time. So, let's just pick one the mentioned issues here: illegal immigration. Spell out your solution to the problem. Keep in mind, it cannot cost any money, or pull any more man power because that might raise spending. I anxiously await your solution. Your ideas are absent, and solutions on here are also MIA. Only bellyaching and whining, but not one idea. Yes, clearly you do understand lame.
7:04 PM Blogger: OK, CHRIS CHRISTIE for one, or against Obama, RON PAUL for my number two choice. But heck I would go for DONALD DUCK before Obama!
8:27 PM Blogger: Well I see your BP is elevated so I will ask you WHAT DO YOU DO TO INSURE YOUR FELLOW MAN IS BEING HELPED, TALK?
My answers to you question of what would I do are simple. Keep the kids in school, teach a REAL work ethic, learn a skill and force every able bodied person who can work off the welfare rolls!
Welfare was not to be a way of life, only a helping hand for a SHORT time, but some have turned it into a like form.
This ALL started with Lindon Banes Johnson (democrat) when he and his buddies created the "Great society" where it was more profitable for the poorer families to separate and collect "welfare" rather than to remain a family unit.
Ever since then welfare has been a way of life, and the only way to ween people off of it is to cut it off after one year, period.
NOW since "I know nothing about what you do," please enlighten us as to exactly what it is you do. I am in the HVAC business and have been for some time. I am not ashamed to say that, so if your not ashamed to tell us what you do, please do so now.
Tom Ford
I thought I was a hospital administrator.
I agree with keeping kids in school and teaching a real work ethic. I lovee that idea. How? What is your plan? Remember it can't cost any money or grow government in any way. But it needs to be effective and work quickly. This is has been a problem for decades. How can we accomplish this?
You haven't addressed illegal immigration. Tell me how to solve this problem the conservative way. Agian, no extra money or man power, and no growing government.
Ron Paul, maybe. Christie.. he'll go for VP, so maybe Paul/Christie ticket. Thought you were a fan of Herman Cain. Personally I like Paul better, as he hasn't proved himself to be a prejudiced bigot as yet.
My BP is fine. I am just trying to get you to actually answer a question for a change. Put your money where your mouth is and pony up some ideas you keep claiming no one else has. Your ultra-conservative viewpoint is exactly what I see nationally in the news. We can't do this, and this is bad, etc, etc, but it's all talk. When it comes to ideas, there's nothing. Just criticize, criticize, criticize, but never actually offer anything. So now I want some ideas to back up your bluster.
Hi Tom. I think most people want the same changes you want.
I hear about people who do nothing with their welfare checks and their SS checks but spend every dime on the gambling boats. I hear about people who spend it every day at 11 am when the bars open for business and spend it all on booze.
Then I also see those who are living only on SS and trying to make ends meet who are senior citizens that are on no longer in the work force. Some are so ill they couldn't even get a job "bagging groceries". If medicare and medicaid and/or SS are taken away from them, they couldn't make it and pay for their meds. Cancer meds, and heart meds are so high in cost, if I didn't see it on an explanation of benefits sheet I would call people liars.
And to get all of these things and other issues straightened out, it will take more time than I have left on this earth, plus money to hire the people and train them to get rid of the offenders.
So how does one answer this? Well, until I see some human being "walk on water", I think we are all screwed.
I am ready to do what my grandparents did and start burying money in my backyard, what little I have.
7:13 AM Blogger:
"I am just trying to get you to actually answer a question for a change. Put your money where your mouth is and pony up some ideas you keep claiming no one else has."
Tell you what hot shot, I will do just that! I am going to secure the fire training room for a meeting where you and I can debate this in front of whomever wants to come!
I will ask Mr. Steve Nieder to record and video tape the debate and put it on here for ALL to see as the room only holds so many.
I will file for it at City hall by Friday and give you the date and time to be there, you will come won't you? Oh and leave the emotion at home, this will be facts and figures only.
Tom Ford
yeah, right. But you won't put them here on your very own blog, will you? Just simple thoughts or ideas to cut through the bluster. See, I have no idea what to do about illegal immigration, so I don't blather and bluster on about how wrong everyone else is about it. So, instead of making some HUGE production and using that as a cover and subterfuge, why don't you just address the issues here, where there is "all the news and none of the paper"? A grand production like that is just more bluster and no substance.
4:24 PM Blogger: Well I am totally serious, in fact I have called Tina Flowers for a date the first part of August, and Mr. Nieder (who has agreed to do it) will live "stream" the debate on THIS BLOG!
You called the play so now it's up to you to show up or SHUT UP!
If you have no intention of coming it wouldn't surprise anyone here as your famous for hiding behind behind "anonymous" and to actually show up will require you to identify yourself!
Oh and by the way, if you won't come I will delete all your posts from now on!
Tom Ford
Say Anonymous 4:24 PM, July 26, 2011, sounds like its time for you put up or shut up.
Hope I can get a front row this Friday, this ought to be good.
Will teleprompters be provided, will notes be allowed to be passed to Anonymous from Alderman Foote?
you win. Your grand efforts and blowing all that smoke has won. I have never seen anyone go to those lengths to avoid answering simple questions. Your avoidance tactics are skilled and very well honed, I'll give you that. I actually wanted to have meaningful discussions, had I been able to get you to do so, but to do that there would have to be give and take, and you wouldn't answer even the simplest question. Talk about a media hound, you'll only do it with cameras rolling? I am not really surprised. So, I guess I say good bye, then if those are your terms. Maybe someone else can get you to put substance on here rather than groaning and useless finger pointing. I wish them, and you, luck.
5:00 PM Blogger: Well at least you maintained you spot on the Blog even if you won't debate.
We don't gloat here so I will just say, Fair thee well.
Tom Ford
Whats that sound? Why it's the sound of anonymous, of Robot Chicken.
"So, let's just pick one the mentioned issues here: illegal immigration. Spell out your solution to the problem."
Enforce the current laws on the books
10:30 PM Blogger: May I suggest we do the Gentlemanly thing and cease fire?
Anonymous has chosen to retire from the field, and I suggest we all allow that to happen.
There were no winners or looses here just Americans with vastly different points of view, and that's as it should be.
I said It would be lively, it was, and as for that string, it's over, so relative peace reigns again.
Tom Ford
Tom,
It is clear that you believe anyone with military credentials is somehow an expert or informed. I'm not saying socialism is right for America, but it works other places. You really should just look at things with a little more of an open mind. Also, the removal of school prayer and the words "under god" should be left off things in America. It is my liberty to say I don't believe in that god or I don't want to pray that way. What you propose is something called fascism.
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” - Sinclair Lewis
10:50 PM Blogger: I the distinct possibility that they (NEA) failed to teach It, this nation was founded under Judao / Christian principals "under God." In fact the founding fathers wouldn't start a deliberation without asking for Devinne direction.
Now as to whether anyone must say a prayer or not, well that's up to each of us now isn't it? God is a part of my family as well as this great Nation in more ways than we have time to read here, but trust me it's true.
Socialism works in other countries? Really, where is that? England is about bankrupt from their "socialized" medicine and they are working to get rid of it.
Socialism only works for the ruling class and the abject poor. The "middle class" by the very nature of socialism disappears, usually into the abject poor class, as there out of funds from taxation, and Government spending.
No my friend, I will defend the right to invoke God in every chamber of Government, schools, and wherever else it becomes necessary, so I don't think my point of view will EVER change.
Oh and by the way, that also goes for socialist / communist ideas as well.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing!"
Alex D. Tocqueville
Tom Ford
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers
that it can bribe the public with their own money."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville
This has been happening since Andrew Jackson and has gotten steadily worse sense. We should all wake up, liberals (me) and conservatives.
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