Tom Ford gives an interview to the Sun Crest call!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I was asked for an interview by the "Call" on Saturday, March 18, 2006, and I did it. I did it because I feel that the voters in Ward two deserve to know as much about my feelings, and belief's as possible so that they may make an informed decision in April.
The interview was conducted by Mr. Burke Wasson, of the Call. I can tell you that he was very professional, and that he reported what I said with no deviations from my word's. In other word's it was fair and accurate, and I applaud him for it.
That said, would my worthy opponent, Mr. Pickel do the same? Will he cal Mr. Wasson, and answer his questions, as I have? Furthermore, will he be willing to give us his reasoning for seconding the motion to grant a C.U.P. to the "swim club", and then voting for it while a member of the Planning & zoning board, and a full fledged member of The "swim club"?
Chris, you have managed to dodge all the questions regarding that very important vote of yours, while you have had your supporters question my "conflict of interest", and I think it's time for that to end.
You see Chris, your supporters have inferred that I would support my Son, ET AL, and that I have a definite "conflict of interest", and yet you have demonstrated what you would (and did,) do when it came to your "special interests", you sided with Mr. Kelleher, and the "swim club" when the right thing would have been to recuse yourself. But you didn't do that, did you? No, you did not! You chose to follow the pack, and vote for it!
Well, my friend, you chose your side, you followed your leader, and I guess that's ok, but right now Crestwood needs a leader, not a follower!
I hope you have the courage of your convictions to grant Mr. Wasson an interview, as Ward Two would like to know just where you stand!
"My name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
No.99
The interview was conducted by Mr. Burke Wasson, of the Call. I can tell you that he was very professional, and that he reported what I said with no deviations from my word's. In other word's it was fair and accurate, and I applaud him for it.
That said, would my worthy opponent, Mr. Pickel do the same? Will he cal Mr. Wasson, and answer his questions, as I have? Furthermore, will he be willing to give us his reasoning for seconding the motion to grant a C.U.P. to the "swim club", and then voting for it while a member of the Planning & zoning board, and a full fledged member of The "swim club"?
Chris, you have managed to dodge all the questions regarding that very important vote of yours, while you have had your supporters question my "conflict of interest", and I think it's time for that to end.
You see Chris, your supporters have inferred that I would support my Son, ET AL, and that I have a definite "conflict of interest", and yet you have demonstrated what you would (and did,) do when it came to your "special interests", you sided with Mr. Kelleher, and the "swim club" when the right thing would have been to recuse yourself. But you didn't do that, did you? No, you did not! You chose to follow the pack, and vote for it!
Well, my friend, you chose your side, you followed your leader, and I guess that's ok, but right now Crestwood needs a leader, not a follower!
I hope you have the courage of your convictions to grant Mr. Wasson an interview, as Ward Two would like to know just where you stand!
"My name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
No.99
posted by Crestwood Independent at 20:40
80 Comments:
Mr. Pickle don't need to give an interview don't you know? He's a member of St. eeee's AND the Crestwood swim club. And that's All he needs. Them folks got secrets they ain't neer goin to tell but secrets have a way of sneakin out - just you hide and watch.
Mr. Pickel and Mr. Kelleher together with Former Alderman Vincent were advised by the City Attorney at that time that they did not have a conflict of interest in the pool matter because they did not stand to personally gain financially by an amount of $5000 or more. Former Alderman Vincent voluntarily chose to recuse himself on all votes concerning the pool because he wanted to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest not because he was required to recuse himself. The SunCrest Call covered this years ago at the time that it was an issue. If you are elected alderman, will you voluntarily pledge to recuse yourself on all issues affecting city employees including your son, such as the pay plan, the budget, etc.? Since the City Administrator is your son's boss and ultimately responsible for all personnel matters related to your son and since the City Administrator serves at the pleasure of the Board of Aldermen including you if you are elected, will you volutarily pledge to recuse yourself on all matters dealing with the City Administrator so as to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest?
I know former Alderman Vincent recused himself, and it was the right thing to do. On page 15 of the P & Z meeting of 3 July.2001, we see where chairman Green said "he contacted the City attorney reguarding this issue". If that in fact happened, why is there no back up from the City attorney in the minutes? In a court of law, the old saw is if it isen't on paper, it didn't happen!
Could we see the record of that conversation? Is there a record, as this is a "conflict of interest" pure and simple".
As to the remark you made about it not being a "conflict of interest" since the value was less than $5000.00, what about the stock holders on that board? Are we to believe that a brand new pool would not elevate the value of their stock? And, I also wonder how you would know about this aleged meeting with the City Attorney, unless you were there?
I have an idea, why not have Mr. Pickel come on the blog, or the Call, and tell all of us who told him it was not a "conflict of interest". I have spoken to the paper about my feelings, but we hear nothing from Mr. Pickel, Why is that?
"My name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Aldermand from Ward Two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
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Conclusion:
An alderman or TIF commissioner who owns real property within a proposed redevelopment area has an "interest, direct or indirect, in any property" within a proposed redevelopment area, and that alderman or commissioner is thus barred by § 99.820.1(13), RSMo Cum. Supp. 2005, from voting on matters pertaining to the redevelopment plan for that area.
Jan. 24, 2006
Honorable Bob Johnson
State Representative, District 47
Room 400, State Capitol Building
Jefferson City, MO 65101
Dear Representative Johnson:
You have submitted the following question to this office for response:
An alderman, or member of a TIF commission appointed pursuant to § 99.820.2, is the owner of real property in an area proposed for a redevelopment project under § 99.820. Does § 99.820.1(13) bar that owner from voting, either as an alderman or as a member of the TIF commission, on any matter pertaining to the redevelopment plan?
Section 99.820, RSMo Cum. Supp. 2005, [footnote 1] outlines the powers and duties of municipalities in relation to real property tax increment allocation redevelopment. Under § 99.820.2, a municipality must create a commission prior to adopting an ordinance relating to a redevelopment plan and must follow certain guidelines in appointing members to the commission.
Section 99.820.1(13), which relates to property interests of commission members or aldermen involved in a redevelopment project, addresses conflicts of interest among those officials:
(13) If any member of the governing body of the municipality, a member of a commission established pursuant to subsection 2 of this section, or an employee or consultant of the municipality, involved in the planning and preparation of a redevelopment plan, or redevelopment project for a redevelopment area or proposed redevelopment area, owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any property included in any redevelopment area, or proposed redevelopment area, which property is designated to be acquired or improved pursuant to a redevelopment project, he or she shall disclose the same in writing to the clerk of the municipality, and shall also so disclose the dates, terms, and conditions of any disposition of any such interest, which disclosures shall be acknowledged by the governing body of the municipality and entered upon the minutes books of the governing body of the municipality. If an individual holds such an interest, then that individual shall refrain from any further official involvement in regard to such redevelopment plan, redevelopment project or redevelopment area, from voting on any matter pertaining to such redevelopment plan, redevelopment project or redevelopment area, or communicating with other members concerning any matter pertaining to that redevelopment plan, redevelopment project or redevelopment area. Furthermore, no such member or employee shall acquire any interest, direct or indirect, in any property in a redevelopment area or proposed redevelopment area after either (a) such individual obtains knowledge of such plan or project, or (b) first public notice of such plan, project or area pursuant to section 99.830, whichever first occurs[.]
Under Missouri law, we use the "plain or ordinary and usual sense" of words and phrases found in Missouri statutes. See § 1.090, RSMo 2000; J.S. v. Beaird, 28 S.W.3d 875, 876 (Mo. banc 2000) (citing State ex rel. Maryland Heights Fire Prot. Dist. v. Campbell, 736 S.W.2d 383, 387 (Mo. banc 1987)).
Applying the plain and ordinary meaning of the terms "interest, direct or indirect, in any property," ownership of real property within a proposed redevelopment area is a "direct" "interest" in property in that area. Thus an alderman or TIF commissioner who owns real property within a proposed redevelopment area has an "interest, direct or indirect, in any property" within that area, and that alderman or commissioner is barred by § 99.820.1(13) from voting on matters pertaining to the redevelopment plan.
CONCLUSION
An alderman or TIF commissioner who owns real property within a proposed redevelopment area has an "interest, direct or indirect, in any property" within a proposed redevelopment area, and that alderman or commissioner is thus barred by § 99.820.1(13), RSMo Cum. Supp. 2005, from voting on matters pertaining to the redevelopment plan for that area.
Footnote 1: Unless otherwise noted, all statutory references are to RSMo Cum. Supp. 2005.
Very truly yours,
Jeremiah W. (Jay) Nixon
Attorney General
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It seems that the Attorney general would not agree with the City Attorney. By the way, owning stock can be construed as "owening property", as stock is "Property"
In Mr. Nixon's conclusion he states that his position applys to Aldermen or TIF commissioners. Mr. Pickel was neither of these in July 2001.
Nope, but he was a P & Z commission member as well as a swim cub member. What say we send mr. Nixon a letter clarifying that relationship?
Tom,
would you tell us the name of the company you work for? Pickel has his company listed on his website.
The old swim club was never part of the TIF Redevelopment Area or included in the Redevelopment Plan. The Attorney General's opinion only covers property located within the legal boundaries of the TIF District.
I cant see the relevence, as I have not placed any endorsements from them on the blog, but call me, and I will tell you.
"my name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward Two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
While your sending Mr. Nixon questions, ask him about Crestwood's City Code covering elected offcials having relatives working for the City. Ask him about conflict of interests and nepotism. Ask him if the City Attorney has power to over rule the code?
The old swim club was part of the TDD created to facilitate the TIF. No TDD, no TIF needed as there were not enough parking spaces.
By the way I think the Board Of Alderman vote on that, the City Attorney only advises the Board.
Anonymous said...
Pooling the Money
To the TIF victors go the spoils in Crestwood
By D.J. Wilson
Published: Wednesday, October 24, 2001
Years from now, when people stop at Sappington and Watson roads in Crestwood to buy a Croft & Barrow sweater or a pair of Sonoma jeans at the Kohl's "That's More Like It" store, chances are they won't know they're paying an extra three-eighths-cent sales tax for the suburban burg's new transportation-development district.
Nor will they know that the tax increase enabled the members-only Crestwood Swim Club to sell off 1 acre of land with an aging private swimming pool, currently appraised at $88,000, for $750,000. But in St. Louis County, with its 91 municipalities and just so much development enticement to go around, a suburb does what a suburb's got to do. In this case, besides a $2.2 million tax-increment-financing plan, Crestwood created a transportation-development district and a community-improvement district.
Let's not put everyone to sleep with too much detail about the difference between a TIF, a TDD and a CID. Believe it, explaining that convoluted mess makes a drug dealer's money-laundering seem like simple arithmetic. It boils down to this: Crestwood wanted to develop that busy corner, but to do so, the $2.2 million TIF subsidy wasn't quite enough. TIF funnels a portion of the new, or "incremental," sales-tax money from a development back into the project to pay off its cost. The swimming pool was outside the footprint of the TIF district but was needed for additional parking. So a TDD was formed to raise more public money, to be paid off with a three-eighths-cent sales tax to be collected at the proposed Kohl's.
The developer, THF Inc., first offered $250,000 for the 1-acre pool site, but that sum was deemed insufficient by the swim club. So THF settled on $750,000 and looked for a way to generate more cash for the project. Technically, the three-eighths-cent TDD sales tax won't be used to pay off the pool -- instead, it will pay for driveways and lights and such -- but all that money is fungible, moving around to enable the developer to cash out the swim club.
That's what irritates Catherine Barrett, a lifelong Crestwood resident who feels that the dues-paying members of a private pool are making out like bandits. "What economic benefit is there to Crestwood? Why are we trying to subsidize a private pool?" asks Barrett. "They're going to get more money for their pool than they should, an additional $500,000, to build a pool for 110 families, the majority of whom are not even Crestwood residents. What good is that doing for us?"
Barrett has another ax to grind: The new pool will be located on land owned by the swim club, right next to her house. That displeases her in part because the swim club was granted a conditional-use permit so it could build the replacement pool in an area zoned for residential development.
Gary Vincent, a Crestwood alderman, doesn't see eye to eye with Barrett. He happens to be president of the Rosebrook Real Estate Co., which owns the pool. He recused himself from voting on matters connected to the land sale, and he thinks Barrett and other neighbors should clam up. "They're saying we're getting paid too much money -- how can they determine that?" Vincent asks. "What difference does it make to a resident, around that pool, what we get paid for? That's not going to affect them at all. That has absolutely no impact on them whatsoever, at all. Period."
Yeah, right. It might be nobody's bidness, if the developer was paying its own way. But the sales tax paid by the public at this Kohl's will go in part to subsidize the developer and in part to pay for a new pool for a private club. So Barrett does have a legit gripe.
Assistant city administrator Matt Conley defends the use of a TIF to develop the corner across from the Crestwood Plaza, saying, "This project is the poster child for tax-increment financing." An abandoned gas station and asbestos in the five-story bank building make cleanup of the site expensive and have prevented private-sector development, he says. Without the use of TIFs by inner-ring suburbs, the sprawl in Jefferson, Franklin and St. Charles counties will be fed by economic refugees from St. Louis County, Conley contends.
"Retail follows rooftops," he says. "Where they're building houses, that's where they'll go. If Kohl's doesn't build in Crestwood, they'll build out in Eureka. That's the way it is. We don't make those calls; the people who work for Wal-Mart and Target and Kohl's, they do that. We don't necessarily like the tools we have to use, but they're the only ones we have. If we could have other mechanisms to use that weren't so controversial and weren't so convoluted, we would love to use them."
Using a TIF and a TDD to make a project possible is like borrowing money from Peter and Paul to pay off Guido. But as with all TIFs, from the ones used to build St. Louis Galleria on, most property owners don't complain because they're getting paid double or triple their property value. The host city doesn't gripe, because in the short term it gets increased tax revenue. And surely the developer doesn't whine, because he's guaranteed a generous return on his investment without the usual risk.
The losers are the ones who have no say in the decision: neighboring cities, which lose development and revenue to the TIF district; small-business owners, who never qualify for TIFs; and public schools and other taxing districts, which lose the incremental taxes for years to come.
But if you're a member of the Crestwood Swim Club, jump in, the water's fine -- and it's paid for.
If this is the only "big scandal" you have to promote your campaign Mr. Ford--it says that you really don't have much to say to promote your own qualifications....While your supporters are so busy spinning in circles about Crestwood pool, you are bragging about your wonderful interview in the call where you managed to dodge the most important question of all ---whether it is a conflict of interest to be an alderman in the city in which your son is a policemen. It is so sad. you have a special interest group paying for your signs, you are completely misguided when it comes to the FACTS about the finances of the city. All you and your supporters are is MAD. I would bet you couldn't explain all the ins and outs of a TIF or a TDD if your life depended on it. How silly that you are just going to wait and see "what the code says if you are elected." Where do you work? What skills are you bringing to the table? If all you can think about to negate the qualifications of your opponent is the one vote in 2001--you must be feeling pretty sceeeered. If you would be elected alderman--how many time would you have to abstain from voting--A LOT--then what is the point of being an alderman?
In reference to the this comment on the blog "Former Alderman Vincent voluntarily chose to recuse himself on all votes concerning the pool because he wanted to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest not because he was required to recuse himself."
Please read the BOA minutes on Alderman Gary Vincent first and only vote on approving the building of Crestwood Swim Club.
Alderman Gary Vincent son was a paid life guard at Crestwood Swim Club.
How many other "perks" do the officers of Rosebrook Real Estate get from Crestwood Swim Club?
Dear nutcases of the blog--I regret to inform you that your anger is misplaced. It is absolutely laughable how uninformed you are...keep spinning in circles for the next two weeks over the scandal you have created in your own minds. In the meantime you are allowing a special interest group to take over your city, trying to elect a slate of puppets who will all be overseen by Boss Hogg. Then, in few months they will realize that they have absolutely no clue how to run the city and what to do next. The objects of their hatred have been cleared out of city hall, there is no police station improvement and then, and then WHAT? They will have no idea what to do because they really have no platform other than BEING REALLY ANGRY about things that that are too unintellingent to be informed about. I am concerned for the future of our city. Think about it.
“Alderman Jim Robertson for City of Crestwood stated on February 13, 2001 in the Board of Alderman meeting stated that it was his understanding that one of the
problems with the voluntary sale of this property [Rosebrook Real Estate Company] is there is a huge tax issue involved and that may make it impossible for the parties to make a deal. He stated that he believed under the Internal Revenue Code if property is condemned, there is a provision for involuntary conversion of property that allows you not to have to recognize gain and for a
period of time you can go out and get replacement property using proceeds from condemnation without taking a tax hit. He stated he was not sure if this was correct, but it is something to research. He stated they may have parties that can’t make a deal voluntarily, but if the city changes the dynamics, it may make
some things possible. Alderman LaBore stated he too was interested in the consequences to the both the developer and the owner of the swim club property
of using eminent domain. He asked if Rosebrook Real Estate would acquire the new property or would it be the Crestwood Swim Club.”
I thought Kohl's needed additional parking spaces!!!
To the blogger at 9:22 pm.....Isn't Mr. Pickle being backed by a special interest group (Communications Workers of America)? What a coincidence. I guess being a "stockholder" in that overpriced bath tub wedged between Bali and Rosaire and having all those voters in your pocket would be considered being backed by a special interest group. Oh gee...did I say over priced bath tub? That was a little insensitive.....but that is just par for the course with some of the garbage that the Pickle support group has been posting on here.
Anyone know was the builder of the Crestwood Swim Club an in-law of a sitting alderman? And what about that permit?
To the blogger from 9:22PM. I highly resent being called a nutcase. I'm a nutjob. There is a big difference. So please, show some respect. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Captain Kangaroo episode to watch.
guess who else had a son that worked for Crestwood Swim Club for a summer job...Roy Robinson...
ATTENTION! I desperately need help from everyone! My dog Tippy ran away. When I opened the door last night to see if the moon and stars were alligned right he scampered off into the yonder without a care in the world. I am truly heartbroken. He is somewhat of a young dog. He is a collie-rat terrier mix. He has only three legs. He answers to "Tripod" and he has the name "Guenther" on his i.d. tag. His coloring is an off-white with a few black patches. He loves humans but is deathly afraid of insects and large reptiles. He can also smell fear in children and birds. If you spot him, aproach from the northeast and call out "Tipod stay!" This should do the trick. If he appears at your door would you please feed him. He enjoys Meow-Mix with cinnamon sprinkled on top. And PLEASE, by all means, keep any large reptiles away from him!!! He will surely escape! Also, he is house-broken but I wouldn't leave any pillows laying around if I was you. If you do find him please feed and bathe him (1 hour) and turn him into Crestwood Animal Control. You will have to walk him there because he gets quite car sick. If you do this for me and my soulmate Tippy then I am sure the gods will welcome you with open arms on the day of your long awaited reckoning. We can only pray now for a safe journey for Tippy! Thank You!
Perhaps if Tippy had been fed dog food instead of "Meow"-Mix, he would not have run away.
"I know that you believe that you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
ATTENTION! Tippy was spotted drinking from the creek near Sappington and Rayburn one hour ago but hobbled off before being captured. I am really starting to get worried because he has not had his medication since wedenesday...weneseday...wedinsday...weee....since the day before yesterday. If you have any Paxil please give him some. He has been on it since the teenagers in the neighborhood tried poisonig him with L.S.D. If you spot him you can e-mail me at tippycomehome@yahoo.com. Also it should be noted that when he was spotted he was approached from the west, which we all know you just can't do.
Thank You!
Margaret
Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiippppppppppppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Margaret
The above messages were written in code. Can you see the comparisons? They are so obvious.
Please contact your lawyer Margaret. You beloved Tippy was last seen two nights ago sprinkling my rear tire. She didn't even have to lift her leg because she only has three. Now normally I wouldn't be upset about this. But my whitewalls were permanently stained. What kind of diet have you been feeding her? I can't believe cinammon could do that.
I've visited your blog and I wasn't that impressed. Why are all of the pictures close-ups?
When you're stewing prunes, is 4 to many?.....is 3 not enough?
At last this blog is starting to reflect it's owner's and his supporters ablity to grasp reality with the appearance of Tippy the missing dog and its owner Margaret.
They fit right in with the concern for the higher cancer rates NORTH of Watson road, the newly disclosed fact of the current mayor's son having worked at the Crestwood Swim Club, Tom's refusal to share the name of his company with the readers of this blog, the claim that the it is only Pickel supporters who post garbage on this blog and the general lack of love for anyone who is not a member of the Crestwood Citizens for whatever Responsablite that is found on these cyberpages.
What this blog should be talking about is the Town Hall meeting held by his honor this week and his treatment of that silver haired political mastermind, Jim Murphy...Can you believe the Mayor took the microphone from Murphy taking away his right to speak?
No one has questioned on this blog, why none of the people who have given Tom money to run for office, live in Ward Two. No one is surprised that the Committee For Prop S has given him his largest contribtion to date. And you thought you supported Prop S when you sent them your check! HA!
Yes the blog has really served it's owner and his supporters well by dodging the tough questions and answering the questions no one cares about, outside the 13 members of the We Hate Crestwood Swim Club Club.
Crestwood, what a great City.
You should really lighten up on the stewed prunes.
First of all, it's not my "scandal", it's yours!
Second, you ask what qualifications I bring to the frey, well I can write, and I can speak. So far we have not heard from Mr. Pickel, nor have we seen his written words (other than listed below,) so what are we to think about that?
Third, I know this about the City, were broke! And we became broke under the watchfull eyes of the old Mayor, and a majority of the BOA who supported the old Mayor. There were only three sitting Alderman who tried to warn us that all was not well,Miguel, Maddox, Labore. The remainder were so busy backing the old Mayor, and being "angry" over his loss, that the forgot to watch the spending. Those same five wanted a GO bond that would have raised our debt to just about the limit, and made out-side investers wealthy on us.
Fourth, what's a "sceeeered"
Fifth, "why be an Alderman", well a better question is why vote for a person tied to the old Mayor( Call, 3/23/05,) Mr. Kelleher, Mr. Trueblood (he Call, March 23,05,) and the old way of doing things? We have heard how Mr. Pickel want's to help the new Mayor, but his very own words to the Call say something else ( the Call, 8/24/05,) entirely. We know from his prior word's and deed's where, and with whom he stand's (The Call,4/8/05,) and we have seen him retract his word's as being "over the top" (the Call,4/22/05,)when helping his friend Mr. Kelleher.
Please tell me what sort of an epiphany has my opponent undergone that tells us he has changed? I don't see one as of yet, but I, and I bet, Ward Two would love to hear it (from him.)
You speak of my supporters as being "mad", and yet we find extreemly vicious poster's doing everything possible to denegrate them whenever possible. This seems to happen more when the "swim club" is mentioned, now why would that be?
Lastly, you say that I know nothing about running a City, well please explain my opponent's qualification's. Let's see, as an outside marketing manager for SBC (the phone company,) he get's to hand over check's to worthy charities (our money from SBC), and then he get's to spend more of our money by promoting a company with virtualy no competition.
This may be the only time I agree with you. He does have the experience needed to fit right in with some on the Board, That is if you like to spend other people's money, and you will vote against everything put forth by the Mayor.
I am here, you have read, and heard my thought's, and by now you know that I am not for "business at the same old stand". Now it's up to the voters of Ward Two, who would you trust with your City, and your money? It's your choice, but please come out and VOTE on April 4, 2006, use your God given right to choose, and let's get Crestwood moving again!
"My name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward Two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
Tom, is the company you work for Union?
If you knew how to do this, you would know that the "tippy" thing is another blogger having fun.
Gee is it possible that a lot of the posts by the angry Pickel supporters were really done by another bloger having fun?
Sure takes the wind out of my sail
My Mom's such a nag!
I never refused to tell you who I work for, I told you to "call me".
Tom Ford
Oh sorry Dude I thought that was going to you...oh man I did it again!
Why is she always getting on that stupid blog site. It keeps taking my messages from this terminal and shooting them onto hers. She's so retarded. she doesn't know what we did last night so don't tell her man. I told her we went to that art class OK? LOL
Oh man here she comes. gotta go see you at the lot
No, angery posts by Pickel supporters are just that, angery posts. Don't forget it's not nice to anger the club set.
Chris Pickel kicked Tippy! I saw him do it. I think it is because he was wearing a small doggie size prop S sign while he was trotting up and down Rayburn.
Mr. Pickel does this mean you don't supprot Prop S? Or do you just not like small wayward dogs? Was he "scooting across your lawn possibly? You know that if you were to express his anal glands he would probably stop. So which is it that you don't like?
1. Prop S
2. small wayward dogs
3. expressing anal glands of said dog
TOm, dont care who you work for just want to know if company is Union.
Keep it clean folks, it's a familt site!
Tom
Margaret may I call you Maggie? Do you think the evil mind controling Don Greer has Tippy, may I call him Tip?
If I wanted this site to be the vehicle for my getting elected after reading the last two days of comments, I'd have to sit my self down and pour me a tall one.
Our office in St. Louis (sales) is not union, I believe our main office (drivers) are though. I will send them an E-mail, and let you know what they say.
Tom Ford
If "pouring me a tall one" is scrip, I am ready to take it, believe me!
Still, it's been the best avenue for all to vent that I have seen in some time, so have at it folks, this is what it's all about! After the election we can all tell each other about our trip's, grand kid's, what our Ward's need or whatever, so please don't give up posting.
"My name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward two
Tom Ford
Another Pickel sign comes down and is replaced by Tom Ford sign. Seems to be going on alot this week. That is 5 by my count in the last 2 days alone. Hmmmmmmmm?
No offense to you Mr. Ford but I really don't think that many people look at this site anyway. Mainly some friends of yours and the people they have told and a few special interest group "overpriced bath tub" stockholders or whatever there called.
No offence taken, but someone must be reading it, we have over 6600 hits in the last six weeks. I just made it available, it's your job to use it.
Tom
In response to the poster of 6:19, sounds like the fire fighters from out side our city have hit the streets again with their signs for Ford that they paid for...wonder what Ford promised them to get their support?
Funny you asked that, I was wondering just what Pickel promised kelleher, and the swim club he could deliver?
why dont you do as Mr. Ford says when he is asked a question he doesnt want to answer on the blogg, why dont you call Pickel, and ask him, then post his answer, if your not too busy on the fire house computor
To the blogger who wondered why all the photo's are close up's, please,he is a married man! Please keep your fantisies to your self!
Could someone please point out to me any questions on this site addressed to Mr. Pickel to which he has personally responded. Any at all.It is possible of course that I just missed seeing his answers.
But, if he feels no need to respond, which is his perogative, what is all the clamor about Mr. Ford not responding. Mr. Ford has been totally above board and responsive and is obviously the best choice for Alderman.
To former blogger, I ran a quick review of the site and could find no personal response from Mr. Pickel. Maybe someone else can find one. I also reviewed enough pertinent and disturbing info about the Crestwood Swim Club to drive home the fact that one Alderman in Ward 2 on the board who belongs to the Crestwood Swim Club is actually one too many, and Ward 2 already has one. Two would definitely be out of the question. Not to mention the fact that there are 2 other sitting aldermen from other wards who are swim club members. A coup is what put Crestwood in the "red." What we need is a team of independent thinkers at this bend in the road. Good luck to Darryl Wallach, Tom Ford and Steve Nieder who can fill that bill.
No, I can't point out where Mr. Pickel has responded, because he hasen't!
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! While all of you have been arguing about who hasn't posted I've been out trying to find Tippy! Can't this other stuff wait? Not many people sign there name except me.
Sincerely,
Initialed:THNTBDTNOEITTFT
Trying Hard Not To Be Disappointed That No One Else Is Trying To Find Tippy
"Tippy" may be hiding under the Kelleher porch awaiting his / her attack orders!
A little levity lightens things up I see. Why be so angry can't we all just get along.
the thing is you never know if these posts are from real people or they are just planting nasty things to make other people look mean.
You aren't paying attention...Tippy is a Boy!
Sincerely,
THNTBDTNOEITTFT
"Tippy" being a "boy" could still be under the "Kelleher porch" ,couldent he? Does he wear a "bow tie"?
He's a three legged dog for gosh sakes. He can't tie a tie or even get dressed for that matter. He's helpless out there!
Sincerely,
THNTBDTNOEITTFT
maybe someone is trying to tell us all how ridiculous it is to fight using Anonymous. I got your point Margaret.
This is a comment specifically directed to those who are using this
blog as a mockery for intelligence.
This Tippy thing is pathetic if you have read the previous comments.
What we should discuss is the TIFFY (TIF) thing and the TDD thing that started
several years ago. Back in 2001, someone decided that Mr. Pickel, a swim club
member, was a good volunteer to be appointed to the Zoning Board and would
have the integrity to abstain from voting on issues concerning his private
club. Instead he voted on their conditional use permit.
However, Mr. Pickel and his supporters don't seem to have a problem racking
Mr. Ford and his son over the coals, screaming about the almighty municipal
code issue on a 40-year old ordinance. But not only did Mr. Pickel and company
stick the knife in Mr. Ford's belly on that issue, as if that were not bad
enough, they had to go and slander his son's reputation as a police officer for
Crestwood. What's next, his wife, his dog, or Oh God, I hope he doesn't drive a
BMW.
Ladies and Gentlemen, what a sad state of affairs that supposedly
intelligent people can stoop so low. No one has really come up with why Mr. Pickel, who
has ties with the previous administration that almost put the City of
Crestwood in the "soup", keeps being defended or better yet why he doesn't seem to say
anything at all for himself. He might be better off answering some questions
rather than leaving it up to his supporters.
Mr. Pickel doesn't say one thing on this blog at all because he knows that he
has all of the support he needs from the morons that have bludgeoned Mr. Ford
to death with some of the most disgusting and blatant attempts by their
sickening humor. Mr. Ford has never, ever been as contemptuous or as narrow-minded
in any of his blogs as what he has had thrown at him. He hasn't even begun to
come close. All I have ever heard Mr. Ford do is ask Mr. Pickel to be
forthcoming with his views. Throwing Mud? I mean the real sloppy stuff? I haven't
seen it.
Mr. Pickel and Mr. Kelleher are both still part of the Faganites and have had
nothing good to say about this mayor, before, now or in the future. If Tom
Fagan would have wanted to built 3 police facilities, or set Crestwood on fire,
Mr. Pickel and Mr. Kelleher would have agreed to it. And they will never,
ever have any allegiance with this mayor. It just ain't gonna happen although
Mr. Pickel has pledged it to people in Ward 2 to get a sign in their yards!
I am done with the "Nickel Millionaires" who have run this City into the
ground. And that includes Mr. Pickel and the members of the board of aldermen who
were willing to put us in the poor house until the citizens saw the
handwriting on the wall.
All of Mr. Pickel's supporters continue to speak of disgusting things like
"Tippy the dog" and "a dog's private parts". What is this "tripe" and who
needs it! Once again, sensible people don't need to read all this drival. The
yawner who keeps "yawning". Tell somebody who gives a tinker's darn. You
people are all just wasting time while others are trying to speak with some
intelligence.
Nobody wants people like you to read this blog and give your comments.
Nobody cares if you or your dog or your cat is "scooting" on the carpet or
defficating on somebody's car. People such as yourselves are the same sick-minded
type people that write graffetti on public property and think they are cute. My
advice, even though you don't want to hear it and will tell me so is, don't
let your mouth overload your "booty". Post your comments somewhere else.
Anonymous
"Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather, it condemns the oppression or persecution of others."
~ John F. Kennedy
It's after 5 pm, March 24th and once again we have the Tippy/Margaret
thingy!
Get ON the blog before you get ON the booze a/or whatever you are snorting.
If this is your strategy to run interference for whatever reason, it is
not working. The serious bloggers will avoid you and walk around you like
you were spit on a sidewalk.
Anonymous
I am a Ford supporter and never have been a fan of Mr. Trueblood or Mr. Kelleher. With that being said, I am a big enough person to asmit that Mr. Trueblood did a very good job at the town hall meeting last weekend. You have to give him credit for that. I sincerely hope everything goes alright with your current family situation. Good luck in your future endeavours and even though I didn't agree with you most of the time, I thank you for your effort in trying to make our city a better place to live. Now I just hope that Mr. Kelleher can take a lesson from you and god forbid if for some strange awful reason Chris Pickel gets elected that the both of them can grow up and try to represent our city in the best possible way. I am appalled to think that those two would even consider cutting any of my much needed city services. Try it and there will be some serious explaining to do on both your parts.
To Margaret (Tippy's master)
You have a Great Sense of Humor! I hope you keep it no matter what the out come of the election. And I hope you find your missing Tippy soon, he is one luck dog to have you as his master. Keep us laughing, we shouldn't take every thing so serious and you have helped remind us of that.
I will help you look for Tippy.
best of luck.
Fred, the dog catcher.
Face it, we can do no less than enlist the aid of Tom Ford suporter "Sabrina D. Beagle!
I will call Tom, and see if he knows her schedule. The thought of "Tippy" being out alone, cold, tired, and hungry is more than
he will will be willing to bear!
I suggest forming a "C.T.P." (Crestwood Tippy Patrol,) and voting on the best way to fund it now, there is no time to spare!
All this silliness about Margaret and her dog Tippy! Reading all the responses, I'd say somebody really needs to get a life. One thing that really catches my attention is the blogger that spells God with a small g, but Kelleher with a capital. I sure hope this person is not a registered voter, because there's no way he/she could make an intelligent decision.
this is not silly. there is a dog out there wandering around the waste dump site called City Hall/Crestwood Swim Club. That is important, along with how much money Crestwood has spent on the Swim Club since 1945, 3 yers before it became a City!
Now that's silly.
How about why Tom Ford has not gotten one $1.00 from anyone living in the ward he wants to represent? Why did the Citizens for Prop S. give him $135.00? I bet you thought they were about getting signs and support up for Prop S. not sending canidates $$$. Fooled you didnt they? No wonder Mr. Murphy just about had a stroke at the Mayor's town hall meeting.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803 - 1882) in 'Self-Reliance'
In answer to this statement:
"The old swim club was never part of the TIF Redevelopment Area or included in the Redevelopment Plan. The Attorney General's opinion only covers property located within the legal boundaries of the TIF District."
Please read the City of Crestwood Board of Alderman minutes dated 10/10/2000
Alderman Gary Vincent first and only vote for the Kohl's TDD.
page 10
Introduction of Bill No. 00-21 Amending Ordinance 3549, 3595 and approving a Redevelopment Agreement between the City of Crestwood and THF Crestwood Point Development, L.L.C.
An Ordinance Amending Ordinance 3549, as amended by Ordinance 3595, approving a redevelopment agreement between the City of Crestwood and THF Crestwood Point Development, L.L.C. by amending Section 2.3 of such redevelopment agreement relating to the sum to be paid by developer to the city of costs incurred by the City in furthance of the Redevelopment project; by amending Section 4.1 so as to amend the Reimbursable Redevelopment Project Costs; by Amending Section 5.1 relating to the maximum amount of TIF notes; by amending Section 5.23 relating to excess incremental sales tax revenue; by enacting a new Article XI providing for a TRANSPORTATINO DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT; and by enacting a new article XII providing for a COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
Ayes: Fagan, Maddow, Vincent, Breeding, Robertson, Duwe, Labore
Nays: Trueblood
Absent: None
Alerman Gary Vincent acting as President of Rosebrook Real Estate
1:40 PM, March 25, 2006
The old Swim Club was in the TDD & CID NOT the TIF Area. The TDD & CID were offically created AFTER THF bought the property.
I can't believe the attacks that have been posted. Swim club people, places of employement, etc. I guess there are some that would prefer the people that live in certain parts of Crestwood should not live here. Come on people. I can't wait until bloggers start asking if the candidates are Democrat or Republican.
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