A Tiger by the tail? Well, let's all be at the BOA meeting on 4/25/06!
As I see it, nothing will happen in open session on April 25,2006, but look for an "executive session" after the meeting to discuss this mess!
I for one, will be interested in the final outcome, as I am against any private club, swim, gun, poker, or whatever benefiting from a TDD, TIF, CID, or any other taxpayer financed program as a privete club! And please save your comments about how "you deserved this", or "you just got what should come to you", as this won't fly with me!
If you wanted a "private pool", well fine and dandy, you pay for it! Don't put the burden on Kohl's shoppers, or anyone else, you, and only you, should be responsible for re-paying that debt, not the citizens of Crestwood!
Tom Ford
No.125
I for one, will be interested in the final outcome, as I am against any private club, swim, gun, poker, or whatever benefiting from a TDD, TIF, CID, or any other taxpayer financed program as a privete club! And please save your comments about how "you deserved this", or "you just got what should come to you", as this won't fly with me!
If you wanted a "private pool", well fine and dandy, you pay for it! Don't put the burden on Kohl's shoppers, or anyone else, you, and only you, should be responsible for re-paying that debt, not the citizens of Crestwood!
Tom Ford
No.125
posted by Crestwood Independent at 20:32
64 Comments:
I guess you were not involved or informed about what was happening in Crestwood not so long ago. That is a shame.
Kohl's wanted the property that was owned by a private organization. It's that simple.
The BOA did not tell Kohl's to go fly a kite and leave the swim club at its original location. The corner of Watson and Sappington needed to be developed for the good of the whole Crestwood community. Getting Kohl's the property the pool owned served that purpose within the guidelines of the law.
Another piece of the puzzle: Crestwood is receiving money to resurface the city hall parking lot through the same "deal" without coming out of the city's budget. Why don't you criticize that too.
If it had been an organization like the Shriners, VFW Hall or maybe even the Masonic dwelling, I'm sure your tone would be much different.
Can anyone name the one alderman who voted against the TIF for Kohl's and the moving of the swim club to its current location?
Hint, in an earlier comment to a post a writer wrote some not very nice things about this alderman and how they were glad to see him going. Does that help?
Hummm. An Excutive Session is going to be held on 4/25/06 and we should all be there to find out what is discussed and decided. This must be going to be the first Executive Session open to the public in Crestwood's history. Maybe even the news media led by Elliot Davis will cover this historic Executive Session.
Nice to know now rather than before the election Ford's position on Kohl's and the swim club.
Please Tom, I can guarantee you would be completely enraged--front and center in your little Masonic Fez or Beanie if they tried to take your club from you via eminent domain. Don't try and argue otherwise. Same for your VFW lodge.
An Executive Session public notice has not been posted on the City website. From whom does Ford
know now that this meeting will take place? The TDD is the legal entity which will handle the bonds if there are any. All of this was settled years ago. Where was Ford's concern then when this was a public issue? As a private entity the swim club can make any legal deal it wants for its property. Of course, Ford may have favored the use of eminent domain against private property in Crestwood or alternatively Crestwood's loss of Kohl's.
Tom
As a charter member of the majority party (CCFR) in Crestwood, are you going to ask the Mayor at the next Board meeting what his business trip this past weekend produced in the way of good news for the City?
This is your blog, Tom, so feel free to state your opinion. However, your opinion doesn't change anything. This happened several years ago. The voters gave you their opinion on election day--and that does matter. Buh bye.
Shouldent you be afraid to go after the Masonic Lodge? After all, during the election someone said that cannon law will not allow anyone in the church to vote for a Mason! We must all be some pertty nasty people, capabale of anything, no?
I have told you before, I have a problem with anything that is private being included in public funding, period. A TDD is for resurfacing parking lot's, roads, bridges, runways, and lakes, but not private pools! Get the pool out of the TDD, and I am as happy as I can be, leave it in, and we will let the powers that be make the decision as to the correctness of the project.
Thw one Alderman who voted against this debacle was Mr. Tim Trueblood, and right he was in doing so. Thank you Tim for your forsight!
My position on the swim club has been out on this blog for months prior to the election, so if you missed it, please re-read the blog.
First of all there was no CCFFR until mr. Murphy registered the name in late March. There was a group of citizens against spending money we didn't have for a new police station, and the group adopted the name Crestwood citizens for fiscal responsibility as a way of providing it's message to the public. In late March Mr. Murphy, wanting to keep the name registered with the local election board as a lobbying group, with himself as the entire committe, and treasurer. As you may know, this will cease to exist on May 4, 2006 per state law. So forget about the CCFFR, as it no longer is a factor in Crestwood.
Indeed, you gave your opinion on election day, and I am gratefull you came out to vote! But you know what, my opinion may not change one thing, but I am still going to give it because that is the true essence of America, people who are willing to speak their mind, sign their name to it, and put it out there for all to see. Anonymous is a great way to knock whatever opinion, fact, belief, club, race, creed, or religion you may want to, but if you would have the courage to sign your own name, your credibility would rise above the level it's at now, zero!
Tom Ford
As regards the one alderman who voted against the TIF for Kohls and moving the swim club to its unlikely position wedged into a residentially dense area and sharing a city parking lot, which should obviously be for the city hall only - well apparently he was the only alderman with enough sense (and integrity) to do the right thing and also apparently not a member of this private swim club, which sponsors most of the candidates for office in Ward 2 and conveniently the city attorney's. However, this Alderman's no vote would have been a lot more effective if he would have raised his NO vote to fever pitch and raised as much cain about this as he has about every breath Mayor Robinson has taken since taking office. In this way, this private swim club would have been moved to property where it would not be disturbing, and offensive to property owners who have lost their privacy and peaceful summer existance. No one in their right mind should have voted YES, so how did this pool go in? Can you think of some familiar names associated with both the Crestwood Board of Alderman and the Swim Club. Bet you can. It is high time this can of worms was opened. Those of you all steamed up about the attention this is getting and thus taking it out on the blog are very transparent. You see, none of you lives nextdoor to the swim club. Do You?
Just to refresh your memory,the pool relocated to its own property! Yes, that's right. The current pool sits nestled on a piece of land that they owned for many, many years. Don't forget that the pool also owned the parking lot that the city peacefully shared with the club for as many years. How easily we forget!
Yes, you relocated to your own property, but who paid for it?
Swim club? NO, 3/8 cent tax money, YES!
Dear neighbor of the pool--did you know there is an underground movement that believes Crestwood Swim Club should be open to the public? I bet you'll really love that!
I think anyone who makes a purchase at the Crestwood Kohls should be allowed to swim in the pool? What do you think? It would be a great marketing campaign for Kohls!
Tim Trueblood voted no against the Swim Club issues because he votes for the people he represents. He was voting for those individuals. Imagine that!
I am not a member of the pool but still enjoy swimming there! When I do swim there I get it all to myself as well. I just wait until they close for the evening and hop the fence. I figure my tax dollars paid for it so I might as well enjoy it! I have never even seen a "NO TRESPASSING" sign. By the way, that is a huge liability issue for the stockholders if someone like me were to get hurt during our after hour swims. Just thought I would let you know.
This is just a rumor, but rumor has it that the crestwoood police are not allowed on the private swim club property unless they are pursuing a criminal. Tell me this is truly just a rumor, because if this is the city's pool as some are indicating, this could not possible be true, could it?
You cannot believe rumors. We heard several years back that our former police chief had lost his permit to carry a weapon. There is no way a police chief anywhere would be hired by anyone if they had lost their permit to carry a weapon. A policeman without a gun? When Mr. Leichliter hired him, didn't he do a background check. Crestwood should be way more careful about whom they hire.
Who owns that hugh 'always empty' parking lot right behind those water tanks? What a lot of wasted space? Why do they have to keep adding asphalt to the driveway right next to the private swim club? Is it true the ground on the Northern side of the drive is sinking? Is that pool safe for the folks who swim there? Who was the engineer who worked on that pool? Some of the things we are hearing about this swim club pool keeps us from applying for a membership.
Is it legal for our Mayor, BOA, and city attorney to help a private corporation by using the 353 to reduce their capital gains taxes when our public officials could have used eminent domain?
How was the old Crestwood Swim Club allowed to be opened with a illegal backwash to the sewers as stated in the Preferred Pool letter with the 4/10/2000 BOA minutes?
You should read about all of the violations!
Is the same thing happening now at the new Crestwood Swim Club?
Was all of their raw sewage being dumped into the Bali Court MSD sewer connection or was in dumped onto the city of Crestwood parking lot that ran into the tennis court property?
Who inpects these private pools?
Can someone call MSD, EPA, Missouri Conservation, and any other health agency on about these sewer backwash connections?
I feel sorry for the Ward 2 residents.
By the way, where is former Alderman Gary Vincent moving? Is his house for sale?
Is he moving because of all of this raw sewage actually hit Raycrest and Delcrest from the old Crestwood Swim Club?
Or is he moving because of the future commercial buyout down Rayburn Road?
Former Alderman Trueblood mentioned the next development will be down Rayburn to Sappington!
http://homepage.mac.com/steve_patterson/iblog/B712221574/C914545529/E1821504651/index.html
The Post-Disptach reported a few days ago that THF is seeking TIF financing for a project in Arnold. In the way is a VFW Hall.
Is this VFW Hall getting 10 times their value for their property like the Rosebrook Real Estate/Crestwood Swim Club obtain from THF via the TDD and CID for Kohl’s?
It seems to matter when our public officials are members of the real estate property!
At least you know who are the VFW members!
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4185/is_20040611/ai_n10178374
VFW Post 2593 has not just been a central gathering place for veterans and current members of the armed forces during the past five decades. It also offers its facilities for activities and events such as wedding receptions among the general public and conducts various civic programs, including the collecting of donations for the local food bank and volunteering their services at hospitals and nursing homes.
We are a nonprofit organization. Sure, we don't pay sales taxes. But if it wasn't for the veterans, what kind of world would we be living in? We just think it is a shame that they are trying to take a VFW post and not give us what it would take to buy another building, Lorenz said as he confirmed that no official offer has yet been placed on the table for their consideration.
How about turning over the Rosebrook Real Estate/Crestwood Swim Club to the VFW?
They support our Veterans!
We would not have our Freedom and Democracy without these men and women.
Would anyone complain is the VFW Hall was next to the City of Crestwood parking lot?
By the way, Mayor Roy Robinson is a Vet!
Since the Crestwood Swim Club is a science benvolent association, are they participating in the Team America Rocketry Challenge?
This would be a great community project since this is the city's pool according to Armstrong Teasdale website!
http://www.rocketcontest.org/
AIA and the National Association of Rocketry, in partnership with NASA, the Department of Defense, Civil Air Patrol, and the 39 AIA members below, are proud to sponsor the 2006 Team America Rocketry Challenge, a national model rocket competition for U.S. middle school and high school students. A grand prize pool of over $60,000 in cash and savings bonds will be shared by the winning teams. The Top 100 Finalists have been announced and the 2006 National Finals will be held May 20, 2006 in The Plains, Virginia.
The County Health Department would be a good place to start as far as someone to inspect the pool. They check on water chemistry and general pool safety. They also inspect the snack bar. Another way of checking on pool safety would be to contact the American Red Cross to come in and do a safety audit on all of there lifegaurds and managers. They start out by "spying" from a distance with video cameras on the lifegaurd positions making sure they are monitoring the pools. After that they approach the on duty manager and request a safety audit with the staff where they are required to perform lifesaving skills that they are supposed to be trained on (water rescue, cpr, first aid, etc.). They also ask for records of said trainings and inspect safety equipment. If they do not meet standards their certification can be pulled which they have to have according to insurance rules. This can be a big headache but is a very good system because it is supposed to keep everybody on their toes from a safety standpoint. The Red Cross is supposed to come in at least three times a season for these audits. If this concerns you then ask the pool management. If you get nowhere with this then you can contact the American Red Cross directly.
I like that idea of turning over the pool to the VFW, after all what better way to say thank you to those who served? I am sure that the swim club members to a person, would vote to include their veterans in their fun.
They could hold special veterans nights, pick up the $50.00 fee, and show those that served a great time!
By the way there is no "underground movement" to make the pool public at all. In fact if the members want to re-pay the developer for the funds expended to build the pool, I say keep on with the private pool. Face it guy's and gal's, we know where the funds came from, it's called a TDD, and it is so listed on the bond sellers web site! Only problem is they thought it was for a "City swim clib". How do we know that? Well there was a meeting at their office between their attorney, and a Crestwood citizen, who had to tell them it was private.
For those of you who still think this is all rumor and inuendo, I must tell you that a copy (2 books thick,) of all the documentation has been delivered to the C/A at City hall, and if you would like to see it, I have one also. Come prepaired to spend some time though as it is 6" thick, and will require explanation to understand.
I have said it before, I don't know where you come down on this swim club deal, but, as for me, I think it was wrong from the begining. A quick review of the stockholders / members shows that the majority of members do not live in Crestwood, so why should Crestwood residents pay for their fun? There are numerous other issues with permits being drawn in another City, to lack of inspections, to continued CUP extensions to run the place while they had not complied with the CUP on file.
Don't take my word for it, go to City hall, ask to see the written words (Mr. Meyers has them,) or contact me! Once you have seen them, if your happy with it, well nothing is needed, but if, You, as I feel that it's just plain wrong, why not get involved to try and stop this sort of pork in Crestwood!
Tom Ford
I hope that Mr. Meyers has more important items to address than to waste his time on your "findings".
The Kohl's TIF district was established in 1999/2000. The Intergovernmental Cooperation Agreement was done 11/2003. Now you want to bring it up? Where were you then? I believe that Kohl's can use the TDD money anyway it needs to for the development process. Look at the breakdown, Kohl's even agreed to collect money in the amount of $631,719 for the Government Center Parking Lot.
All of the new CA efforts need to be directed to moving Crestwood forward. ie. budget At least $631,719 won't be an expense.
We have seen this before. After several audits of Crestwood, citizens forced another audit. Talk about draining staff resources. Is that what you are trying to do? They have much more important work to do than investigate your "findings". I guess Crestwood will incur more legal fees exploring your documentation. Weren't you all against the legal fees? Why don't you engage your own lawyer if you think something smells?
Mr. Ford, why don't you spend your time investigating the findings of the 2003 Petition Audit?
"...in at least one instance, revenue of $68,910 was falsely created in order to overstate General Fun revenues."
"Transfers to the General Fund from the Capital Improvement Sales Tax and the Park and Storm Water Funds were in excess of the amounts approved by the board in the annual budget process. In addition, during the same period, the accounting records and audited financial statements had recorded these transfers as inter-fund borrowings, rather than inter-fund transfers. The sales tax funds are restricted funds and transfers should only be made to the General Fund to reimburse for specific related expenses."
"The former city administrator (D. Kent Leichliter) and former finance officer (not Ms. Madrid) did not prepare and present adequate financial reports to the board to allow them to properly monitor the financial position of the city."
"The Board must continue to monitor the financial condition of the city and develop a long-range plan which will allow the city to reduce its expenditures and/or increase its revenues to operate the city with available resources."
These are the types of issues that should be analyzed, not an agreement between Kohl's and Crestwood Swim Club. Maybe if you took time to look into this, the law suit against Mr. Leichliter could be cleared up?
Why do you ask for a list of members? You just stated "A quick review of the stockholders / members shows that the majority of members do not live in Crestwood". Are any of them Mason?
I am amazed at the supposition that the C/A should not waste his time reviewing the case of the private Crestwood Swim Club. Who are you to tell him or anyone for that matter what they should and should not study. Please wrap up in your beach towel and wait for the next flip flop to drop. Your constant flailings against the obvious are pretty 5th grade. For the sake of the pool, I hope you do not represent them with your renderings. I can harely wait for your next snide remark.
I just want to know how Mr. Ford knows about the BOA executive sessions? Seems to me that an individual of the BOA or the mayor have given him this information. How else could he have this knowledge? The person responsible for discussing executive sessions and their agenda should be fired.
I am confused...you must already have this list of Swim Club members in your possession because you seem to know where everyone lives? Could you please explain this.
if you are really wanting to know how things got started with the new pool's building, please read the public hearing comments from the April 24,2001 BOA minutes. John Brancaglione, VP of Peckam, Guyton, Albers & Views displayed the site plan and area boards explaining that the property under investigation involved the Crestwood Swim Club's two parcels of property. A copy of a letter from Ric Kinlough of the Preferred Pool Care, Inc. is attached. He stated the property meets the qualification for designation as blighted under Chapter 353 of Missouri Revised States. This pool had to be 'rebuilt', it was unfit and unsafe for people to use. Why wouldn't the people who have stock in this pool have the foresight to see that it would have been best to move it to a lower ground situation? A piece of land with convenient access would seem much more user friendly than having to share a small city' owned parking lot, that is so congested that it requires also using a church's parking lot at times of special events. The whole plan seems 'not wise' to many. It just must have been to someone's financial advantage to just jam it into the small space he/she owned. Also at the 4-24-01 Alderman Trueblood asked the city attorney if a PRIVATE pool club would have to meet the city's standards and asked if grandfather clauses may be involved. What kind of question is that. And then he asked this question of Mr. Golterman who of course is a member of the swim club. I would think if you want answers to your questions, you need to talk to your alderman, better yet, an attorney, not someone on the blog. It also looks like you don't believe any answers you get on the blog anyhow, so why bother?
The comment: "This pool had to be 'rebuilt', it was unfit and unsafe for people to use." is NOT accurate. The sidewalk and deck slabs were the issue NOT that it was unfit and unsafe for people to use. (and by the way because of the discussions with Kohl's, those improvements had been postponed)
Also the comment "share a small city' owned parking lot" is NOT correct. At that time the swim club owned that portion of the parking lot.
The minutes also stated that St. Louis County does the inspections of the pool and had passed those tests.
I can read too but I do not try and interrupt the facts to mean something they don't.
Hey, I just checked and there is still no agenda for BOA meeting on 4/25/06. How do WE know there is going to be an executive session, much less what they are going to be discussing? Which elected official is discussing this? Inquiring minds want to know how to get this information. I want to be part of the "special people".
Now that everyone has had their 2cents worth; and the CCFFR has been depicted as a clandestine group bent on secret meetings where they plan ways to help bring Crestwood around to its former glory while being fiscally responsible and serving iced tea, comparable to the Prop S group or volunteers at Sappington House; well now we just need the membership list for the Crestwood Swim Club complete with asterisks by the names of all members who have served as Aldermen or City Attorneys, or members of city boards, and their upcoming agenda for good deeds. Then after we are on this level playing field, we can see which group is doing the most good for the city and "all" its residents. Private groups who take on civic groups for unknown reasons are not even convincing to their members. Many of us out here in blogville wonder what is your point in this mish-mash. It certainly has not brought out the best in you, nor made anyone want to leave Whitecliff and rush over to invest in the swmpool by the city hall parking lot surrounded by unhappy neighbors and questionable financing and stability. If what you say is true and most of your members are not from Crestwood, why don't you build elsewhere and we can move the Historic Crain Home to the site? Blada-Bling!
I guess only Crestwood residents can shop in Crestwood, only Crestwood residents can eat at the eating establishments in Crestwood, etc. Get a life.
When a bunch of nut jobs get together in anger, they usually end up cannabilizing each other...an excellent example is the CCFR. They don't follow normal protocol, the group's lifespan is short-lived, they are uninformed, and they are paranoid. 'Nuff said
That sounds more like the bored of aldermen than CCFR!
Well, look here, an executive session on 4/25/06 is now posted on the City web site!
How did I know this? I had no clue, but common sense tells me that the City BOA would want to discuss the legal matters before placing them before an open session of the BOA!
Darn good guess if you ask me!
Tom Ford
positively psychic...
You got it! It's a gift!
Tom Ford
Mr. Ford, I do not believe it was a guess. You either got the information regarding an executive session and the agenda from a member of the BOA or the mayor.
Well you would be wrong, sorry but I received no information from anyone concerning the meeting. As I said, it just made sense to me, because that is what I would do, were it me.
The Mayor and I do not have conversations about the board meetings, nor do the Alderman, and I. Think about it, why would they, there would be no benefit in it for them.
Tom Ford
Maybe Tom Ford just happened upon one of our present alderman's larger than life email list telling what's coming up to all friends, newspaper friends, etc. I too am only guessing.
When a bunch of nut jobs get together in anger, they usually end up cannabilizing each other...an excellent example is the CCFR. They don't follow normal protocol, the group's lifespan is short-lived, they are uninformed, and they are paranoid. 'Nuff said
1:44 PM, April 21, 2006
NUFF SAID, I DON'T THINK SO.
READ THE ABOVE AGAIN, THEN AGAIN, DOESN'T IT SOUND LIKE THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN WHEN FAGAN WAS MAYOR, OR PERHAPS A MEETING OF ROSEBROOK REAL ESTATE CO.? I READ THE LIST OF PEOPLE IN CCFFR YOU LISTED AND THOSE I KNOW ARE SOME OF THE FINEST PEOPLE IN THE CITY. THEY DID A YEOMAN'S JOB AND ARE STILL WONDERING WHAT IT IS THAT HAS YOUR RASH ITCHING SO? DID YOU POSSIBLY WANT A NEW $14 MILLION DOLLAR CITY HALL TO BE COLLATERAL TO THE BANK? OH YES, YOU COULD BE ONE OF THOSE WHO LOST MONEY ON THIS LOST CAUSE. MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT THAT LIST ON THE BLOG.
THANK YOU CCFFR, YOU SAVED THE DAY!!!
lets clear up some things. First, crestwood swim club didnt want to move, they were threatened with eminent doman, so they took the best deal they got and moved to a location that they already owned. Any taxes levied on purchases at kohls were done so by the city. Regarding the new pool's safety record, it is spotless. The St. Louis County Department of Health has not once found something wrong with the swim club, either the snack bar or the pool. As for the lifeguards, they undergo vigerous training every year to insure that the safety of members is the best possible. And you say that we make a bad neighbor? What about when the residents of Bali Court bang on their fences, shine their car's headlights into the pool, and yell at 10 year old children at the pool, or come out of their houses to tell them that they are going to hell for belonging to Crestwood Swim Club when there walking there from their houses. How about calling the police for "violations" only to later find out the pool is completly in the right. And doesnt it look bad when the residents of Bali Court get warnings from the Police to stop harassing pool members, or be charged with harassment? And your argument that the majority of the members of Crestwood Swim Club members dont live in the city doesnt make any sense, that is like saying that you cant shop at crestwood mall because you dont live in crestwood. Its time that you stop talking all this nonsense, and find something real to talk about.
The comment "Any taxes levied on purchases at kohls were done so by the city" I believe is incorrect. Kohl's purchased the swim club property through the TDD and chose to empose the tax. Kohl's is responsible for the tax, not the city.
THANK YOU, I REST MY CASE!!
"Kohls purchased the swim club property through the TDD"!
Exactly why the members need to pay for it, not Kohl's, ot any one else, especially not the TDD cause it dosen't look like a parking lot to me.
Tom Ford
Look behind the two big water towers--and there is a parking lot. It is black with striped lines that shows the drivers how to park their cars. Sure looks like a parking lot to me!
"Robin Carnahan blasts measure requiring voter photo ID"
Now if you can vote without a photo ID, why do I need to send one in with my swim club application? Couldent I give the ID photo after I am accepted?
Well, we all know I won't be anyway, so I can save the photo cost's.
Seems to me voting is so very much more important than swimming, so if it's ok with Robin, what about the pool?
And good eye, that is a parking lot, The white thing with water in it, paid for by the TDD is not. Yet we see that it was included in the TDD.
Tom Ford
Do you wonder why you were not elected? It is because you ranted and raved about several issues for which you were completely uninformed. You never bothered to gather all of the facts regarding an issue before you formed your opinion. Further, you never delivered your opinions in a thoughtful and articulate way. And once again, you are back at it. Lashing out about Cor Jesu, the pool, previous alderman, development etc. etc.
IF Kohls purchased the Swim Club property through the use of a TDD, then why are you makeing it sound like the swim club received money from the city to build a new pool? The old swim club property was bought out by Kohls (using money given to them by the city) to buy the land that the swim club was on. That money, which then was rightfully the swim clubs, was used to build their new pool. Get your facts straight before you really make yourself look bad TOM.
The facts are that 850K was paid by the TDD to "relocate" a private pool apraised at 88K.
The fact also is that a TDD is paid by public funds, not private as you may think, else why the 3/8 cent sales tax to pay for the pool?
I believe I told all of you a long time ago (during the election,) that I was, and am against public funding for ANY private entity, be it a pool, VFW, Masonic Lodge, or skeet range unless it is open to the public period.
Your right I was not elected, Mr. Pickel was, and I am sure he will do the job expected of him very well. I have confidence that he, and the rest of the new board will do their due dillengence when it comes to projects like this one, how could they not.
I never for a minute wondered why I was not elected, I knew that telling the people my (and several others) views would never be allowed to stand.
As far as my "attacking the Church" thats blatently rediculous, and you all knw it. We watched as you attacked the Masonic Lodge (while knowing nothing about it,) and the VFW for no apparent reason, and we continue to see it play out in your remarks about "attacking the Church".
Now, I may look bad to some of you, and no matter what I say in the future, I will continue to. However consider the fact that I am not in this to win friends, but only to place the issues out in the open for all of Crestwood to make up their minds. Like it or not, thats America, and it's still the best way anyone has found to run a government!
Tom Ford
Tom, you and your blog have become the issue.
Excellent, that insures readership!
Tom Ford
You might want to look up the terms slander and libel if you want to keep you blog going.
I have, the truth is the worlds best defense, as you may know.
Re-read some of the post's you have made concerning me, that would qualify, no?
Tom Ford
Kohl's had the choice either to pay for the land they needed or pay for it with the TDD. Kohl's chose the TDD to finance the project. Simple. What is the issue?
The Crestwood swim club not only moved their pool to a location that they already owned, they also paid for it completely. The city did not pay for it. Kohls bought the land where they are currently located. This gave the pool the money to build a new pool at the current location. The members of the pool paid for it, no one else. They are not stupid. If you are going to make these allegations, make sure they are true before you publish them.
I think you should stick to placing the issues on the site instead of fiction.
Hey why don't we sell the City Hall to the Veterans and make it a VFW hall? Then the Veterans could join the pool and use the same parking lot for both purposes? I was told discussions were held to sell the building. Sounds like a fit!
Thanks to the stellar performance of the board and previous administrations, we almost had to sell city hall!
Not almost - they did try and sell city hall but after the residential portion of the tax issue did not pass - the offer was withdrawn. The past administration you refer to should be Mr. Leichliter.
A lot of people have made comments that the neighbors of Crestwood Swim Club have lost their summer relaxation due to the swim club opening. Well I happen to live just 2 blocks from the pool, and it is absolutly wonderful. I also know a person whos house backs up to the pool. We both agree that the pool makes an excelent neighbor. I dont see what is so wrong with hearing children playing and laughing with their friends? When did it become a crime to have fun? Crestwood Swim Club is a place where you can bring your family, and enjoy a clean, fun and safe family atmosphere. The staff is always kind to everyone, and willing to help when needed. I think it is time that everyone knows that Crestwood Swim Club isn't some horrible pool that violates laws, but is one where families can come to have fun with everyone.
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