Sunday, May 07, 2006

From Ms. Clark, reference Mr. Trueblood!

It has recently come to my attention that what I say and how I say it and when I say it has become increasingly troublesome to Tim Trueblood. I say troublesome because I keep hearing things he is saying about what I've said or done. I hope I can clarify some of these issues to everyone's satisfaction.

Let us begin with: In March of 2005 Don and Faye Clark invited a group of people into their home and formed a group of citizens who were very concerned about the mishandling of public funds. TRUE

Mr. Patrick (Jim) Murphy was asked to be the advisor of this group because of his extensive and successful political experience. TRUE

When it became apparent the aldermen had no intention of dropping the building of the new police facility (although it had become public knowledge we did not have the money for it) we formed a petition to stop the leasing of Westfield for our police department until the new structure was done. TRUE

More than 1,000 signatures was received over what was needed. Had our aldermen done the right thing all this would not have been necessary. TRUE

There are indeed two Jim Murphys. One is Patrick (Jim) Murphy our Missouri State Representative and his son James William Murphy (Jim). TRUE

In December of 2005 one of the original members of the group filed for alderman. TRUE

In January 2006 a petition is taken out to prevent the Charter Commission from ending term limits. The people of Crestwood do indeed want term limits. TRUE

Those who supported or did not support Prop S did so with no connection to CCFFR. Each individual voted his/her conscience. TRUE

A complaint lodged again the group CCFFR is dismissed by the Missouri Ethics Commission because as I explained in an email to Mr. Trueblood, the Clarks visited the Election Board and were told that for what our intentions were, we DID NOT need to register the groups name. TRUE

on March 3rd, it was said that Mr. Patrick James Murphy of 9314 Cordova Lane, Crestwood, Mo 63126 phone no. 314-849-5932 files witht the Secretary of State by a fictitous name. Patrick James Murphy is the name on the birth certificate, a fictitous name? FALSE

Mailing address is not a business address. Any part of one's name is not a fictitous name. TRUE

The language of the ballot in August of 2002 was so confusing, most of Crestwood's citizens said they did not know what they voted for. I am included in the large group and most of us deeply resent having those who represent us make ballot language so difficult and misleading. TRUE

In an email from me to Tim Trueblood, I advised him to go to the Election Board and find out for himself the exact status of the CCFFR. We were there two weeks ago and saw that Mr. Trueblood had done as I advised as his signature was on the paperwork required to look at any document. TRUE

So many questions asking questions that have already been completely and honestly answered. It would make me wonder what this is trying to prove. No one could prove a group of honest concerned citizens are doing anything deceitful or hidden but rather are achieving quite a lot of good for Crestwood.

Trying to smear a well formed and very successful group of fellow citizen who were forced to take action because those they put in office failed to do what was necessary will never help further your political ambitions.

We can continue to play 20+ questions from now on. I do not have to justify that I didn't understand a very poorly worded ballot.

As for my own personal feelings, I tried very hard to give our alderman some credit for his efforts but feel I made a mistake. Two years ago people were begging for an alderman to be recalled and we said give him another chance. Perhaps we made a mistake. TRUE

Ada (Faye) Clark is this a fictitous name?

ps Mr. Frank Myers we should respect him enough to spell his name correctly

CCFFR (not CCFR) CCFR would be a fictitous name.

No. 141

100 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are going to be so haughty about people questioning you, your clubs, your political action committees etc etc, you might want to get your own facts straight when you start causing a ruckus, investigating, and making misstatements about people, actions, organizations that you disagree with. Think about it

9:07 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did we hit a nerve here pilgrem? Hope so!

9:11 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well lets see,

The 2005 projected fund balance of the Capital Improvement Fund was over $1 million.

The 2005 projected fund balance in the General Fund was almost <$1.7> million.

The Capital Improvement Fund pays for any improvement to City Hall. Seems to me there was money for the project.

The Capital Improvement Fund DOES NOT pay the salaries and benefits for employees/services.

9:40 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will take a guess as who the previous blogger is. It's either Kelleher, Trueblood (Mr. or Mrs.), or Don Juan Greer himself!

9:49 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that you believe the Charter Commission was going to prevent term limits, just shows your ignorance.

Those recommendations were to go to the voters to decide.

I find it disturbing that a group of citizens can just sign a piece of paper to stop the recommendations of the Charter Committee from going to the public for a vote. They did not even try and collect signatures. Too bad there are no legal proceeding that can be brought against them.

9:53 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 9:49 comment - Can't you read the budget? Just look at the numbers. They don't lie. Those numbers quoted were after the repayment of the defeasence.

9:56 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You still didn't vote in the election in question, Mrs. Clark.

Probably a good thing since you can't understand what a fictitious name filing is. The fictiious name being filed with the state is CCFR, duh - not J.P. Murphy.

10:06 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HERE LET ME HELP YOU OUT. THIS IS FROM THE SEC OF STATE'S WEBSITE:

Date: 5/7/2006 Filed Documents
(Click above to view filed documents that are available.)
Business Name History
Name Name Type
Crestwood Citizens for Fiscal Responsibility Legal
Fictitious Registration - Domestic - Information

Charter Number: X00721574
Status: Fictitious Active

Entity Creation Date: 3/3/2006


Expiration Date: 03/03/2011
[Name Not Available] [Address Not Available]

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10:14 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The business with the fictitious name that was registered by Patrick James Murphy with the Secretary of State's Office is: Crestwood Citizens for Fiscal Responsibility. Check your source of information again, Ms. Clark. You are wrong and Mr. Trueblood is right. You owe Mr. Trueblood a public apology in my opinion.

10:27 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trueblood owes the entire City of Crestwood an apology. Under his watch and others, the financial condition of Crestwood deteriorated badly. But he's great at fingerpointing and badmouthing Roy Robinson.

10:34 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Mrs. Trueblood's group registered anywhere? I saw several press releases last summer, but have not heard anything since.

10:36 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trueblood really had an itch to scratch when his and Fagan's 14 mill police palace was stopped. Trueblood must think Crestwood residents are rich..or he must be?

10:37 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's pilgrim - not pilgrem.

10:38 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mrs. Clark, have you forgotten that else where on this blog you stated you did not cast a vote in the election of August 2002? Why then do you still claim to have been confused when you voted in August of 2002?

10:42 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 9:40 blogger - brilliant! So if your kids are starving you still buy the Mercedes? Simple economics folks. Crestwood was the laughing stock of St. Louis County-"oh yeah you guys are almost bankrupt, your police chief drives a BMW, Watson is becoming desolate, but you're going to build a multi-million dollar police building-oh yeah you go Crestwood!"
Fagan and the Fagan Five should be downright ashamed.

10:42 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the very first blogger at 9:07, you describe Trueblood perfectly.

10:46 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:36 What is the reason that Mrs. Trueblood's group should register with any governmental body?

10:51 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:07 PM comment - you just don't get it. The rule is, if incorrect statements are made they are never corrected. This statement is true even at BOA meetings. Citizens comments that are not factual never get corrected. Thus, the inaccuracies look like facts.

10:53 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it a political group? Has it raised money? What has it done? Did it ever get off the ground? Are they paying the consultant from the University of Missouri St. Louis?

10:54 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Clark, please post again and tell us where you found all of the information that is in your current post. We trust that you will at least try to let us know where we can check the accuracy of your investigation report.

11:33 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The information from Ms. Clark about term limits is fascinating when read closely. For example, according to her, a petition was apparently taken out to block voters from changing the City Charter. "The people of Crestwood do not want term limits. TRUE"

12:32 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too have a problem with the blogger at 9:40. I agree with the blogger at 10:42 - you don't buy a Mercedes when your kids are starving. We had the money to build an elaborate police facility - my foot! Using all our money, pray tell what were we going to use to pay our existing bills since our sales taxes are in the toilet and might be there for some time? You are really a very stupid person. I applaud the blogger at 10:42. Tom Fagan didn't see a problem. That was my primary reason for voting for Roy Robinson. He may not be an elequant speaker, and he may not be a young hot shot, but he has common sense. I saw no fiscal responsibility from anyone on the dais. People criticize the citizens for fiscal responsibility. Why? I am not a member, but why is that a bad thing? The people in Crestwood had to do something to help save the city, since none of our board members saw past Don Greer and his pact.

9:10 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think that group is still in existence. Overheard at the last board meeting - Mrs. Trueblood telling Mrs. LaBore she stopped working on anything political months ago - something about her dad being sick and then he died in March. Now she's involved in settling his estate - but here's the best part - she even said she wants to move too!

9:20 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Answering a question with an answer does not constitute haughty. I have been asked questions, LOTS of questions, and did my best to answer all of them. Most of these have been asked and answered before. Just so you understand why I put this on the blog, Tim Trueblood asked many questions concerning me on his blog and I choose to answer them here. Why does Mr. Trueblood continue to ask me if I did or not vote on August, 2002? Why is that so important to him? I called for the Election Board to pull up my record for that date this morning. It amazes me and others he has this obsession with if I did or not vote. I have repeatedly said the ballot language was so confusing and many of others agree with that. What does it matter to him if I did or not vote? If it's only a matter of me making a mistake, of course I make mistakes. I made a typo saying we do not want term limits NOT at all what I meant to say. Some of the anonymous comments under my answering of Tim's questions have NOTHING at all to do with the subject. The MO Ethics Commission ALWAYS refers to committees as FICTITIOUS. It's their terminology, but on Tim's blog, he says Jim Murphy's name several different ways. All I was telling him is that a lot of people including myself go by their middle name. A lot of what is being talked about right now is of absolutely no importance OR there is something going on that we are not priviledged to. I will add this, maybe Tim's not addressing his questions to the right person. I get the feeling it's Mr. Murphy he's after

10:39 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

answer to 10:27 Would someone please tell me the difference between CCFFR (Crestwood Citizens for Fiscal Responsibility) and CCFR? CCFR has been typed a lot lately. Is this a new group. The original group has always been CCFFR. My dictionary says: fictitous 1. Of, pertaining to. So Mr. Trueblood, which is it? CCFFR or CCFR. On your blog you always refer to CCFR and you say the only legal CCFR left is a business? What do you mean? Are you inferring there are now two organizations?

10:51 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it USA of USOA for United States of America? There is a reason. Same goes with CCFR for Crestwood Citizens for Fiscal Responsibility.

11:05 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It never fails to amaze me how people can twist and turn people's comments into just about anything they so desire. Now for some big mysterious reason, the Crestwood Citizens For Fiscal Responsibility or the CCFR is under a microscope. You can call them the CCFFR if you want to (ADD AN EXTRA "F" for the word "FOR". I don't care if you call them the CCFR, CCFFR, the IRA, the FBI, or the CIA! Who needs to be so petty as to criticize them. What about the right to assembly? I am not a member, but what is the big deal! Why hang a person out to dry for being a member of anything as long as it isn't Anti-American. Why criticize a person and crucify them for saying the ballot language is confusing. Sometimes it is confusing. It can be so confusing that a person doesn't know if they should say yes or no to the question proposed! ALSO Are not we all for Fiscal Responsibility? Who cares who started the membership. People saw a need for it. People belong to all kinds of clubs and organizations. Why put this one through a knot hole backwards. Up to this point in time, all we had was Fiscal IRRESPONSIBILITY from city officials. Take a test and circle the word that describes a honest Crestwood citizen - FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY - (FILL IN THE BLANK) FOR FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY - (FILL IN THE BLANK). Sometimes this blog is filled with man-eating sharks. Geez!

11:22 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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11:25 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Previous blogger, it's not nice to call people "STUPID". Debate and argue facts, but don't name call. I agree with you, though, only minimal cuts have been made by this administration.

11:40 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree with you I should not call people stupid but that is exactly was said about me - see the 9:10 comment "You are really a very stupid person." Just shows their ignorance.

11:46 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indeed. Point taken. Thank you. No name calling everyone. I get heated too. If there is any good that comes out of these heated exchanges, it shows that many of us truly care for our community and its direction.

11:54 AM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:33pm May 7th, in answer to your question. I am only answering the questions that Tim Trueblood posed to me via his blog site: He asked the questions, I answered. Where did I get the information, the information about me? Is this a trick question: Faye Clark

12:05 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd rather have a blog in front of me than a frontal blogotomy!

Bad one I know. I'll go back to my cave.

12:10 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:05am May 8th. So your thinking that any two things spelled differently are exactly the same thing. When naming something or someone the correct spelling is the correct spelling. CCFFR from the start has been (written often) so if you see CCFR as exactly the same thing, no wonder our city is in such trouble. This is just getting too ridiculous.

12:13 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: The pictures that are posted with the aldermen. Are they taken by the city and are they 'city property' as such? If they are, can a former alderman use this picture on his website or would that use be illegal?

2:46 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the issue is truthfulness - i was at the board meeting where fay clark said she did not know WHAT SHE VOTED FOR. Then she admitted on this blog that she did not know if she had voted. I guess we need Elliot Davis to figure this out for her. But I can tell you easily enough - she did NOT VOTE IN THAT ELECTION.

2:47 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of Elliott Davis...whatever happened to the big investigation that was going to rock the city of Crestwood? What about the attorney general's investigation?

3:29 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim Trueblood has a blog site? How do I find it?

3:38 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading boa minutes this day and found on 7-26-05 where Mrs. Clark asked Tim Trueblood to please explain the ballot language for the continuation of the 1/2% tax deadline. Now are you saying she didn't vote in 2002? Why was she asking for an explanation on a tax that happened 3 years prior. This doesn't make sense does it?

4:11 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Trueblood's blog's name is crestwoodpoliticalreview.blogspot.com
He sure seems on the case of the Murphies and Clarkes and the group called the CCFR, so see what you think. Mrs. Clark answered some of his questions on Tom Ford's blog. Most of what is being discussed seems like old news.

4:16 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://crestwoodpoliticalreview.blogspot.com/

Tim Trueblood's site.

4:16 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK! Let's see if we can get explained about who voted and when. July 26,2005 under Public Comment(exact quotes) Faye Clark 1341 Trelane addressed Alderman Trueblood in regard to his request that the residents vote on Ordinance 3733 again. She read a statement in which she asked Alderman Trueblood to explain why he wanted the residents to vote on the issue again. She stated that she hoped he would help her and others to understand his point of view because she and many others had no idea they were voting to spend the money to build a new police facility when they voted to extend the tax. She stated that they had thought they were voting for the tax in order to provide money for sidewalks and streets.

anonymous said...I think the issue is truthfulness. i was at the boa where fay clark said she did not know what she voted for. Then she admitted that she did not know if she had voted. But I can tell you easily enough-she did not vote in that election. which election is anonymous referring to? 2002, 2005? fay clark better not vote again-what happened? did her vote cause a tie? who do we know that would go to the trouble to find out if one person voted and when. I also thought when we voted, it was a secret vote. Isn't it

P.S. Did Alderman Trueblood ever get back to Mrs. Clark with an answer to her request. I would really like to know.

4:37 PM, May 08, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

Sorry folk's, I deleted a remark made @11:25 AM, todays date.

Reason? Well we are all educated enough to place our point out there without calling anyone STUPID!

I deleted one of my own a while back because in reading it again, I thought it was a bit strong also!

Please continue to place your news and views on the blog, but please keep the comments above board (that includes me also.)


Happy blogging!!!

Tom Ford

5:15 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the scheme of things, who really cares what Tim Trueblood thinks about anything? In a few months people will be saying Tim WHO?

For now,Tim Trueblood is a past alderman in the City of Crestwood having served during a very dark time. He made it darker. He had every opportunity to be a lifeguard, a shining light and live up to promises and expectations, but this did not appeal to him. Somewhere along the way he became more important to himself than the job at hand. He became a perfect example of the need for term limits. Otherwise recall became an option.

Tim Trueblood became a stranger to his ward, a man marching to a tyrants drumbeat. Led away from whatever path he may have intentionally meant to take. Not a proud moment. He liked to rip out Robert's Rules of Order and vote "no" for some unexplained reason. His was not the voice of reason, but rather the blurts of fury. He aligned himself to an undeserving master of chicanery. He sold his soul.

So I say again, who really cares about Tim Trueblood. He is a has been who belongs in the shadows and should have enough sense to stay there. His obsession with certain people in this town has grown old and tired, and troublesome.

Tim Trueblood blew it. Please, can we try to phase him out of all communiques?We have a new board now, and new expectations; a new Mayor, a new City Administrator. We wish to have inspired leadership all around who vote their conscience and forget about the incestious past. They owe their allegiance to those of us who wait. With this in mind, it should be no time until thoughts of Tim Trueblood are distant.

5:46 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh, you people really fancy yourselves to be good writers. Half of these comments could be turned into a bad writing contest and win.

6:13 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Ms Clark caused a tie - that's not really the point. The point is, she is the spokesperson for an organization, misses no opportunities to speak publicly, and since she said she voted and the record shows she did not vote - should be taken with a grain of salt when she speaks again. The point is, that group was used by a has-been politico that was thrown out of his own party for lying and selling his soul to the pro-abortionists. No surprise the spokesperson can't recognize truth from fiction. What is surprising is how upset some people are that have spent years investigating others, designing 6" binders and all, but they don't want anyone questioning THEM. how annoying!

6:27 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

burp!

10:34 PM, May 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dosen't "BURP" belong under " Gas prices"?

6:46 AM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm - does this description remind you of any OTHER GROUP we know of?

America’s Left and the political party it calls home, the Democrats, have been seized by anger ever since the disputes of the 2000 presidential election, with its razor-thin margin, judicial intervention called forth by Gore, and the ultimate victory for President Bush. Intoxicated by the endocrine-like jolts of energy, the Left has become addicted to anger.
The Left has been self-administering a daily dose of derision, bile, and venom in an effort to keep its energy levels high in the face of a continued Republican hold on the presidency and Congressional majorities. But these are dangerous drugs. Whatever satisfying kick they provide, the side effects are so serious as to threaten the survival of the organism itself.

11:11 AM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In answer to 6:27 pm May 8th. The large collection of legal documents that has been put into a binder are things that have been issued by our City over a period of time. Facts, noone's opinions, Letters to and from the attorney general, some to the FBI. The group of people being demonized here had nothing to do with this collection. It's years of work by long time citizens of Crestwood who have been paying attention to happenings in their City. Copies of BOA minutes which prove who pushed hard for ordinances to be passed and who voted for it. Reading this book is not for the faint of heart. Some of the facts that jump out at you make you wonder who was at the wheel lots of times. You need not be afraid to read this. Some of you were afraid to read the depositions that were taken of people you seemed to support and even after the proof of guilt came out, you put your head back in the sand. It takes a strong person to look at the facts and admit maybe they were wrong.

12:30 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the binder contains years of information, why didn't these citizens speak up before the past year?

12:31 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:37 No, Tim never did answer my request from 7-26-06. For whatever reason he was too worried about proving I voted in August, 02. There will be some information forthcoming concerning this. If nothing else comes out of this, maybe the next time our aldermen write ballot language, they will proof it out to see if it's understandable.

12:37 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The citizens haven't spoken up before because they haven't had all the facts. Rome wasn't built in a day and Crestwood wasn't dragged down in a day. That's very simple. They're Waiting to see if the Kohl bonds can be sold. It is had to caught your attention it's been three years! You might need to read the book. It's wonderful that you can jumpback with a question so quickly. Are you another person unemployeed, as I am? Oh, another point of interest, the Leichliter settlement statement is available at City Hall today. 10 cents a copy. Better than a best seller.

12:54 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like anyone cares how someone voted or if they voted. Like anyone cares to hear disparities about a longtime resident took the bull by the horns and found a way to stop a $14 M. dollar city hall extravaganza rescuing the city from sure disaster. Ah, sticks and stones. I have never seen such hate! Just what this town needs!

Like anyone cares that a private swim club membership has its shorts in a big big knot over the notariety it has duly received, and the real possibility of some big time shenanigans going on, and their really classy responses to this heat. Like anyone cares how many times the yawny deadheads respond to every blog, distort the facts and disrespect people in the know. Sorta 5th grade bully tripe. Like we don't now know the instigators.

Like anyone cares what these lowlifes think about the Mayor's Parking Sign, or the orange cones, or meetings and membership of the CCFFR. Do neckies cause brain damage?

Why don't you sit down with a pad of paper and make 2 columns. On one side list the pathetic things you have sent to this blog. On the other side list the things you are doing to present Crestwood in a better light and move it forward to a better place. Do you think any of the leadership of this town thinks your childplay on this blog is anything more than fury? If they do, we will soon find out. For there are now 8 men up there who will be closely watched and when the votes all become vendettas, or more of the same. Well, watch how hot their feet will get.

This is a blog. Got it, a blog.

1:42 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Probably the alderman chose not to reply to a liar, especially one that didn't even live in his ward.

4:20 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What an angry, unhappy person you must be blogger at 1:42 p.m! Time to take a chill pill and re-examine your life. Isn't there a more productive way to help your community rather than spewing toxic, venomous thoughts off into cyberspace?

5:04 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yawn

5:53 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't steal my yawn, I am the yawner!

6:11 PM, May 09, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

Now just how do you know that "anonymous" is, in your words a Liar (were waiting!)

I should just take you off the blog, but this time I think we will let the Citizens of Crestwood judge your response for themselves!

And in reference to the books that show the last three years (TIF, TDD, CID,) they took a lot of time to put toghether, and a lot more time and money to put in order with a re-capitulation report so everyone can understand them.

Contrary to the popular belief that someone is out to get someone, or something, it isn't true! These were done to make sure Crestwood never looses tax dollars for a project like this one again.

I have offered this before. In order to save you a large sum of money for copying (as well as research,) I will be glad to allow interested parties to view these volumes, or you can contact the C/A (Mr Myers,) who also has a copy.

Folks, do yourself a favor, don't guess or sucumb to gossip about this, ask to see the books, form your own opinion, and let's move on from this mess for once and for all!

Tom Ford

6:21 PM, May 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No comments about last night. One of the aldermen went after the Clarks because he said theylaughed at him. If you are this alderman's friend, you could call him and comfort him. He's obviouslya very stressed person who needs someone to help him understand the world is not out to get him.

11:50 AM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't have a dog in this race, but if this is the definition of lie -
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

Then it seems like the person who should be judged by the community is the person who lied to the board of aldermen about whether they voted or not, rather than the person that pointed out the lie. Just a thought from an outsider.

12:30 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The good old boy with problems, Boss Hog, has been publicly exposed for what he does best. Yes the old home folks' hero who busts his buns for them was caught on tape dishing out what he does best and it's in this week's newspaper. Of course, he is on tape so many times now laying it thick and heavy on the people of Crestwood in his kinda down home folksy way that those in the know admit that he sure can fool the suckere. And people wonder why Crestwood has become the bad joke of South County and Crestwood's neighbors wonder what's going on in Crestwood. But he'll sure charm those yokels in Vegas and they'll be lining up to come to Crestwood. Yessiree, we sure got ourselves a real believable spokesman for the city. He sure gives his supporters like Ms. Clark a tough act to follow. But I guess she tries.

3:24 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which newspaper?

3:39 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:24 what did you say? this article is not informative nor is it understandable. What part of it don't you understand? You obviously need attention but what you write is-I don't even know the words. I'd comment but didn't understand what your saying. If I had to deal with you on a personal level, I'd be very nervous.

5:40 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 3:24 blogger.....loosen the bow tie before you try to speak! Either that or put down what evere your drink of choice is today.

5:57 PM, May 10, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

Which news paper? why the Suncrest Call, Wed. edition!

I hear the call will be providing extra space for Crestwood news next week, as one of our more colorfull Alderman sort of provided them with some new ammo.

It would seem that a citizen asked to submit this Aldermans name for Board president, and some of the good citizens laughed!

While it is not clear as to whom the citizens were laughing at our man still took umbridge to this perceived affront, and became, well, angry!

Now unless I miss my guess, we shall see some rather scathing remarks in the next edition of the Call, once again putting Crestwood on front street! Well done sir, we love to be in the negitive light!

At the cost of gasoline these days perhaps this Alderman could E-mail the comments he plans for the night to the call thus saving them the expense of driving out.

Well as a very wise man said once, "what are you gonna do"!

By the way, the officer who "may be" resinging at the end of the month is said to be a staff officer, so we will not be losing anyone on the street! The only thing is, I don't think he has made up his mind as of yet, so let's all wait and see what happens.

Tom Ford

6:09 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the blogger at 3:24 - you and Mr. rookie bow tie sound one and the same. He thinks he knows everything and has less years on the board than anyone previous to the new people who just took the oath. He has everything all figured out but wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the eye. If he wanted to really tell the truth at last night's meeting, he wouldn't only mention the Clark's but should have mentioned half of this town laughing at one time or another. Too bad he only pointed out the Clark's. Sounds like Mr. Kelleher now has new alliances with some new members and has once again felt the urge to make himself look important. But once again, he let his mouth put him to shame. It's not nice to be a servant of the people and harbour such anymosity toward residents. And he above all people, an usher at his church. Shame, Shame.

7:05 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reference Mr. Trueblood indeed! can we ever expect him to fade into the sunset where he belongs?

9:39 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 12:54 5/9 comment: What do you mean " The citizens haven't spoken up before because they haven't had all the facts."

Reference the 12:30 comment "It's years of work by long time citizens of Crestwood who have been paying attention to happenings in their City."

So which is it????????

10:25 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Ford, what makes you so sure that the vacancy of a staff officer will keep the current staffing of men on the streets to remain the same?

You make it sound like that officer's position was not needed. I am not sure of his job duties, but those functions will still need to be performed. They have to get staff from somewhere to do this. Crestwood is already down a couple of officers as it is and the BOA have been assured that the department was at bare bones.

10:32 PM, May 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Ford, I do not understand your comment "In January 2006 a petition is taken out to prevent the Charter Commission from ending term limits. The people of Crestwood do indeed want term limits. TRUE"

The Charter Commission does NOT make the changes to the Charter the citizens do. They are merely items for the CITIZENS to decide. That right was taken away with a charade of a few individuals. Some did not even try and solicit signatures. It seems a deliberate obstruction of the Charter.

11:22 PM, May 10, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

To the 10:32 blogger who asked about a staff officer.

I seldom saw a "white shirt" on the street doing patrol work in all the time I worked in police work. Sorry, that's the way it is (or was.)

Ask one of the patrol officers the next time you see one how often that happens in Crestwod, you very well may be shocked!

Tom Ford

9:24 PM, May 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that Crestwood will have one less "white shirt" maybe a patrol officer will take a promotion in grade and we will have one less on the street. Think about it. That officer's job function will still need to be performed. Who do you think will pick up the slack? The work load associated with that position just doesn't go away. If the administration keeps pushing more and more responsibilities on employees without replacing vacant positions - maybe more employees will seek other jobs. Then what? I guess it is one way to decrease expenses but what kind of srevices will Crestwood receive? Any answers/suggestions?

10:14 PM, May 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will be no promotions. The department is still "top heavy" with administration.

3:15 PM, May 12, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

To the 11:22 blogger. I think you should ask mrs. Clark about that as she is the one who posted it.

I do think it was a typo though, but ask her anyway.

Tom Ford

4:59 PM, May 12, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 10:14 pm like Mae West once said, it's not the men in your life, it's the life in your men. This applies to your police force too. If you get some new blood in there that willing to get off the chair and move, one like that is worth 3 that aren't motivated. Another old saying I like is when the going gets tough, the tough get going! And honey, the going in Crestwood is TOUGH.

8:00 PM, May 12, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

As the USMC would say, "OORRRRAAHHH"! What the 8:00 Pm blogger said, and then some!

Wouldent it be great to see the police department given the opportunity to do their job as it should be done? In my humble opinion you will see some changes at the mall and elsewhere!

More officers on the street = more criminals in jail = less criminals wanting to come to Crestwood!

It's about time!

Tom Ford

9:13 PM, May 12, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$250,000 of taxpayers' money going to settle a lawsuit and Roy R is "in the city's corner". After the Mayor's comment "about being in his (Leichliter's) corner", I find the silence about the Mayor and the settlement by the CCFFR deafening. Anything that the Mayor does with Crestwood taxpayers' money must be fine with them. The $250,000 probably would have seen the litigation through to completion and Crestwood would likely have prevailed, since the auditing company thought it was wise to pony up. Until now none of this Crestwood news has appeared on this blog which boasts "MOST OF THE NEWS WITH NONE OF THE PAPER". I wonder why not.

9:08 AM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Robinson say he was in Leichliters corner? Where was that? Robertson was working as Mayor with Greer when all came down on Leichliter so how could either Robinson or the CCFFR know anything? The CCFFR only started one year ago and Robinson has been Mayor for only one year. Some of the question asked do not make any sense if you look at the timeline. Mr. Leichliter was promised payment until 2004 and then some really wise person decided to deliberately break this contract. Don't most people countersue when their contracts get broken. It seems those who broke it would know what would happen next. As far as settling with L. they probably had to settle because they knew if they took it to court it would cost lots more and they would loose because they had NO PROOF! A lot of people wanted it to go to trial because we wanted to hear certain people put on the stand that were working there at the time all this happened and had access to Mr. Leichliters computer. If you work a computer and know how easy it is to change anything on another person's computer as long as you have the address and access, if you worked with someone and wanted him/her gone, you wouldn't have to be a rocket scientist to make them look really bad, especially if you wanted that person's job.

9:39 AM, May 13, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

Well I can't speak for the Mayor, or the CCFFR, but there have been posts on this blog concerning the settlement.

I have not been privy to the details reference the settlement, so I have left it alone, however if anyone knows the truth about this, please post it.

On pure speculation only I would guess this was a no win situation for Crestwood, else why would the BOA have voted to drop it (they do have to vote for it, don't they?)

As has been stated before, I have "cub reporters" all over Crestwood who fill the head "cub" in on most of the goings on, but not all. That's why I use the term "Most of the news", and not all of the news.

I am positive that all of us would like to know the real truth behind these suits, and we all should know! To that end, please tell us what you know about this, and if you wish it to be a main story, E-mail it to me (with your phone number so I can be assured it's you,) and I will put it on.

Thank's for reading the Crestwood Independent.

Tom Ford

9:55 AM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would seem many are interested in the specifics and costs of all the excessive litigation in the City of Crestwood. With certainty, we know there was a S. Harrassment Lawsuit filed againt a former Mayor by a city employee,who won. Then, there was the Licklider suit, the result of breaking his salary provision, recently settled. Then, we read about the ludicrous settlement with the city finance officer and the city administrator reportedly the result of chicanery.

With bits and pieces floating all around, is there someone out there who has the time and facts to sum this up and give us a cost breakdown, and which aldermen were around to vote yes on these settlements and why and who engineered them? I did hear that all past legal bills were undocumented and gave only totals. Even though the shock will be great on hearing the overall total and the colorful details, I don't see how we can go forward until the past is explained. This kind of money outlay in a town existing on a letter of credit and hocked real estate and which begged for a tax increase from you and I, needs the light of day. It is way out of proportion. We don't need a citizen reveiw board for the budget near as bad as we need a magnifying glass put on the legal history of Crestwood.If this city intends to protect its residents, and its employee's jobs; its services, and its future, and regain the complete confidence of its residents, it needs to "come clean!" Otherwise the rumors and the facts become as blurred as the vision we will end up having for our city.

Those who would say "put yesterday behind you" are part of the problem. I tend to belive that we cannot learn by our mistakes until we recognize and admit what they are. Crestwood cannot survive with its head in the sand, or history will have a chance to repeat itself. Color me insightful, but the first time when I did not realize I should have been paying attention it was shame on me. Then I watched this city get played like a fine violin. If we cannot contain all undocumented legal expense, and the facts are shrouded, then why are we incorporated? The 9 people elected to lead our city in the right direction are not elected to use their position as a stage for their ego, politics or social enhancement; they are elected to maintain this city appropriately and if they choose not to, then they should resign or be recalled. If they cannot do a better job of containment, then they have destroyed all the reasons for becomming a city. I'm sure we are keeping our rose colored glasses handy, but it will take some more time and effort to reverse the trend of skepticism which is trying so hard to go away.

12:25 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone should call elliot davis about this instead of bothering a bunch of family's and kids at their swim club.

12:27 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law suits are nothing compared to the swim club deal, a couple of hundred thousand verses eight hundred fifty thousand.

But if you think Elliott needs to know this, call him.

1:54 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone already called him and it looks like there is no story there.

2:09 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was I thinking. The prosperity in this town is such that accounting for excessive, unacccountable legal bills and suck the city dry lawsuits is trivial pursuit compared to the Crestwood Swim Club matter complete with it bulging files of graft and corruption, and under the table deals. Why on earth would I want to notice ex-officials and the transgressions of former boards and city administrators whose lack of integrity, morals, and ability is legendary? What have I witnessed, read, heard about to confirm the abysmal display of judgement and integrity visited upon this town by bandits disguised as grownups? Must have been my imagination, or the result of a sad childhood frought with loneliness and abuse. How crazy is it to consider a employee liason inappropriate, and a 14 Million Dollar City Hall paramount to the lifeblood of the city. How nice to be able to nurture amnesia.

How insensitive of me to place all this above things like whether or not Mr. Ford attended a meeting, or Mr. Breeding asked for an advance; or Mrs. Clark voted, Whether or not breaking the board tie to choose the board president is tantamount to treason; whether or not the Mayor's Parking Sign is an an effort to overthrow the government and whether laughter in the audience is or is not provoked by an alderman and led by a duo of thugs. I must have failed to see the harm done by a citizens group inspired by budgetary concerns who picked up the ball dropped by their incapable ward reps. I missed the point on the Elliot Davis Report. The man would have to bring in a cot and cooler to cover this story. I was really amused by the buzz over Mr. Murphy and his 3-ring binders. Did he perchance steal some curtain time from the "Showtime of the Four-Bees Alderman Pack?" Most of all, I spent sleepless nights worrying about the Mayors PLAN, and the short shorts who very vocally shared this concern. In hindsight, the plan was very simple, "trust the force."

I guess I should not be offended that an alderman called another alderman a "snake in the grass" and a board appointee "confrontational," and then let lack of character carry him to the threshold of public paranoia. Lordy no, this glass is half full and it ain't kool-aid. We gotta watch this play out. It just keeps getting better. However, if good can will out, the new talent on the board will be able to surprise us all by applying their skills to business at hand.

4:22 PM, May 13, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

Well folks that last blogger just about hit all the bases didn't he / she?

I can only hope a breath was taken during the writing as our Ambulance is not running due to a lack of crew (could have used the fire truck though!)

When I started this blog, I hoped for some small measure of success, but it's better than I had ever imagined. With over 13,800 hits, we have become a news source in Crestwood, as well as a sounding board for anyone who wishes to get involved in their town!

Thank you all for posting, responding, and yes, thank you to my detractors, you keep me on message, and that's a good thing!

In case you don't know it, the city fathers read this blog, and they do listen to you, so continue to post your thoughts!

Tom Ford

5:00 PM, May 13, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

A wee bit of humor to lighten up the conversation:

A priest was being honored at his retirement dinner after 25 years in the parish.
A leading local politician and member of the congregation was chosen to make the presentation and give a little speech at the dinner. He was delayed, so the priest decided to say his own few words while they waited.
"I got my first impression of the parish from the first confession I heard here. I thought I had been assigned to a terrible place. The very first person who entered my confessional told me he had stolen a television set and, when questioned by the police, was able to lie his way out of it. He had stolen money from his parents, embezzled from his employer, had an affair with his boss's wife, taken illegal drugs, and gave VD to his sister. I was appalled. But as the days went on I knew that my people were not all like that and I had, indeed, come to a fine parish full of good and loving people.".....
Just as the priest finished his talk, the politician arrived full of apologies at being late. He immediately began to make the presentation and gave his talk.
"I'll never forget the first day our parish priest arrived," said the politician.
"In fact, I had the honor of being the first one to go to him in confession."
Moral: DON'T EVER BE LATE.

Tom Ford

5:22 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the "plan" that the mayor talked about before getting elected was to put all of his friends on boards, committees and now paid employees the new "group" running Crestwood.

First let's appoint our supporters and friend to boards and committes - those volunteers served too long and some had the wrong friends or belonged to the wrong "group".

Then the former CA/Police Chief and Finance Director were "no good" - get rid of them.

Now we find out that the Police Department also had personal that has been "no good" - good riddence - things will be better/different. I think at least one patrol officer could improve his job performance. Maybe that is where some of the information regarding the staffing of the department comes from.

What department will be next? Oh, not the Fire Department. You can bet on that.

If I worked for the City of Crestwood, I would be afraid for my job.

10:17 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are the "city fathers"?

10:19 PM, May 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Robinson sure seems to get a lot of flack. Were you happier with Mr. Robertson? Until roy does something immoral, illegal, or otherwise harmful to his office, try to look at the good he has done. Then in two years, you can get the whole 'good old boys' club back in. Isn't that the plan? What do you think you will be able do in the future that you haven't been able to do in the past. You got to have a plan!

11:47 PM, May 13, 2006  
Blogger Crestwood Independent said...

The City Fathers is a reference to the Alderman, Mayor, and C/A. I am surprised that you have never heard that term used before, it's quite common.

Tom Ford

8:40 AM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the blogger who stated "If I worked for the City of Crestwood, I would be afraid for my job".

If you worked for the City of Crestwood, I think I would be afraid for Crestwood!

9:26 AM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the blogger at 10:17 pm on the 13th,

Either your bow tie is to tight or your gun belt is to tight, either way your a crybaby! WAAAAAHHH!

1:26 PM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:26 PM Hateful humor at the fingertips of a pro and an awful lot of posters have a real good idea of who is the source.

3:36 PM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who dat?

4:28 PM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Clifford! You dat!

9:04 PM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who dat say who dat, when I say who dat?

9:59 PM, May 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure Mrs. Clark still reviews this site and I did not think I would have to address her specifically regarding her comment "In January 2006 a petition is taken out to prevent the Charter Commission from ending term limits. The people of Crestwood do indeed want term limits. TRUE" I don't believe it is a typo. I think she actually believe her comment.

So, Mrs. Clark about your comment, I question it's validity.

The Charter Commission does NOT make the changes to the Charter the citizens do. They are merely items for the CITIZENS to decide. That right was taken away with a charade of a few individuals. Some did not even try and solicit signatures. It seems a deliberate obstruction of the Charter.

Maybe verbiage should be added to the Charter. This obstruction of the Charter should be addressed legally, otherwise a group of citizens can pull this type of charade anytime they want.

11:16 PM, May 18, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that Mrs. Clark may still have a friend or two in Crestwood but I don't think she's into the blog thing anymore, got burned out. After someone said on the blog she was asked to leave wyoming, she said these people are too much for her, have no idea what they are talking about and will say anything just to get attention. so for those of you who hated her, enjoy yourself.

10:32 AM, May 19, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I've heard several CCFR members say to those who complained about their attacks, if the heat's too hot, stay out of the kitchen. She decided to make herself a spokesperson - and through attacking others attracted attacks. The big question is, what law would the boa or mayor use to FORCE anyone to stop discussing a citizen's behavior? That's pretty frightening to me - apparently there was an expectation at the meeting on tuesday that they would impose such an edict. Wake up people - why do you think the new police chief was put in place?

1:47 PM, May 19, 2006  

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