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IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT THE RESULTS OF SOME OF OUR LOCAL ISSUES, THIS IS THE PLACE TO GET THE INFORMATION!
Tom Ford
NO.244
IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT THE RESULTS OF SOME OF OUR LOCAL ISSUES, THIS IS THE PLACE TO GET THE INFORMATION!
Tom Ford
NO.244
posted by Crestwood Independent at 18:24
22 Comments:
These are the absentee ballots counted at noon today. The percents as a rule rarely change plus or minus more that 5%.
Proposition 1 - CITY OF CRESTWOOD
* * CHARTER AMENDMENTS - VARIOUS * *
(VOTE FOR ) 1
(WITH 0 OF 9 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
YES . . . . . . . . . . . . 163 61.74
NO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 101 38.26
Proposition 2 - CITY OF CRESTWOOD
* * ALDERMAN TERM * *
(VOTE FOR ) 1
(WITH 0 OF 9 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
YES . . . . . . . . . . . . 132 42.86
NO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 176 57.14
Proposition 3 - CITY OF CRESTWOOD
* * CENSURE OF OFFICIALS * *
(VOTE FOR ) 1
(WITH 0 OF 9 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
YES . . . . . . . . . . . . 229 74.59
NO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 78 25.41
Proposition 4 - CITY OF CRESTWOOD
* * INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM PERCENTAGE * *
(VOTE FOR ) 1
(WITH 0 OF 9 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
YES . . . . . . . . . . . . 144 46.91
NO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 163 53.09
Proposition 5 - CITY OF CRESTWOOD
* * RECALL PERCENTAGE * *
(VOTE FOR ) 1
(WITH 0 OF 9 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
YES . . . . . . . . . . . . 170 55.37
NO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 137 44.63
Three of the the five charter amendments are winning before 9 p.m. Prop 1, that's the housekeeping items, is winning. So is Prop 3, that's the censure of elected officials. So is Prop 5, that's the signatures needed for recall being reduced. The term limits one is down. So is the signatures being lessened for initiative and referendum. Never thought we'd see this. Hold onto your hats. This one could take all night to count it's so close.
If this trend continues, who are we on the right side, who opposed the changes, going to blame? Odds are that it will be Rob Golterman who takes the hit. He was the one who mislead every body.
10:08 blogger, you are absolutely correct. Golterman is the one that let this happen! The charter committee didn't wait 10 years to meet. They waited 9! And if just one of these pass, they'll get away with it because Golterman let them. He's got to go.
Yeah, who else has to swing by their necks for this awful thing called letting the people have a say in their government?
Only censure won and you know why? Practically noone understands what it means exactly. It'll be interesting now to see how the alderman who wanted this applies it, should be very interesting. Will the alderman shouting Jerry Jerry Jerry do more now than just shout? It'll be interesting.
Does Crestwood have to change the year-end date since Prop 1 did not pass??? hmmmmmmm
poster 3:42, you haven't a clue what censure means.
Did ever one see this weeks Journal's picture of Mayor Robinson cutting the ribbon at the new Weight Watchers store opening in Crestwood? It's on page A3. From the looks of things the everybody in the picture should be charter members at Weight Watchers.
To 10:08pm - did you figure out whats going on with Rob Golterman or just a lucky guess! A lot of folks are way ahead of you on this one. All you have to do is look at his close ties and background.
I don't know what censure means either! The dictionary says-to blame or disapprove; to criticize severely. Ward 1 Alderman Bland was in favor of this, is it permissible to ask him at a boa meeting what he feels this will help. When our last mayor did his 'deed' which we are really not allowed to talk about because he is who he is, if they had censure at their disposal at that time what might they have done? Criticize him for his conduct and allowed to stay. Didn't they have something stronger available to them and did they use it, of course not. What a bunch of hippocrites! So now we have censure. We can criticize Jerry for asking questions, we can criticize Jim for making those faces and becoming angry, we can stop anybody from saying something we don't want to hear. We are not making progress here, I believe we just took two steps backward.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Please allow me to thank those of you who voted to keep our charter un-changed (with the exception of prop three.)
I have said before that the Charter is the very bed rock of Crestwood, and as such has no business changing for frivolous reasons, and I am very gratified so many of you agreed with me.
I would also like to thank the many volunteers who walked the wards in the rain to make sure you had all the information.
It goes without saying that such a large task needs motivation, so I thank my two Alderman (Kelleher, and Pickel,) for not responding to my E-mail requesting information on who put out the pamphlet for change, and thereby motivating me to put out a pamphlet explaining the other side of the story!
I would also be remiss if I did not extend a special thank you to Alderman Richard Bland for teaching us to put out the message the day before the election! I know this was a definate asset to us in assuring that our message be read!
Tom Ford
Censure, would that include having aldermen who do not respond to their ward residents? As happened to Mr. Ford.
Part of an Alderman's job is to respond to their constituancy. Let's use the blog as a report card and report all instances where our calls, e-mails or notes are not returned. If the Alderman does not have time, it is time for him to step down.
It is also time for Robert Golterman to step down. What a disservice he has done to our community. He and the 9 waterboys who decided to re-frame the charter to suit themselves and their Leader(???). This is just about as low as it gets.
As I understand it, the charter commission did not intend censure to be used for anything other than the violations and prohibitions of office already outlined in the current charter. They did not discuss expanding its use for other situations; however, the aldermen are not bound by the intentions of the charter commission, so the board could expand the definition if they chose to do so.
As I stated at the public hearing in May of 2005, if you are going to create the option of censure, then you need to have an objective standard for its application. This is especially necessary given the fact that the board can now choose between two different punishments for one crime.
This proposed change was completely unwarranted, but now that it has passed, the board will have the unenviable task of trying to incorporate a procedure that protects an alderman from arbitrary decisions by his peers.
Martha Duchild
Don't you get it, no one will be punished if they agree with the current administration! Purchasing policy violations, moving funds from a designated fund (Capital Improvement)without a "plan" to repay, etc. It just doesn't matter. As long as the current mayor and CA are at the helm, everything will be alright. Take a deep breath.
In response to 1:51pm:
Get a clue. Those aren't violations of the Charter or the three prohibitions of office. I hope you didn't vote based on false information!
Violations of the Charter:
Robinson = 0
Fagan > 0
Greer > 0
Golterman > 0
I'd be happy to sell you the detailed list.
Tom,
As of Thursday evening, have you ever received any type of response from either of your Ward 2 aldermen?
Thanks
7:43 blogger: Response? Why no I haven't a response from either one of them!
Do I expect a response now? In a word NO! Since the departure of Tim Trueblood (he did respond!) I haven't heard a word from either one of them (has anyone checked to see if they have assumed room temprature?)
As you may know one of them (Alderman Kelleher,) will be coming up for re-election and seeing as how he has no time to respond to the "great un-washed" here in the lower regons of Ward Two, one wonders if he will have time to campaign?
It will matter not though, as the usual suspects and his countless supporters will assure that he be anointed yet again!
Too bad Ward Two has had this problem for so many years (special interest, after special interest.)
Tim, we need ya back buddy!
Tom Ford
5:54 PM, November 09, 2006 blogger - Cannot censure be used for violations other than Charter violations?
"Tim, we need ya back buddy!" HUH???
To 9:54 p.m. Nov. 9th
I realize you addressed your question to a different blogger, but if you read my post at 10:23 Nov. 8th, you will find the answer to your question.
Yes, the board can come up with whatever reasons they want for censure; however, if they wish to adhere to the intent of the charter commission they would not do so.
My apologies to the 5:54 p.m. blogger for jumping in to answer this one.
Martha Duchild
"Tim, we need ya buddy."
I don't think so.
FAGIDABOUTIT.
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