Work session for the TDD 4/16/07, 4:00PM.
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Tom Ford
NO.320
Tom Ford
NO.320
posted by Crestwood Independent at 13:21
58 Comments:
This doesn't have a lot to do with the work session, escept maybe for the fact one of our alderman isn't one bit interested in attending. in the April 13th issue of the South County Times he is listed as one of three who voted against banning relations between city employees. Why am I not surprised? Maybe it's just a coincidense that the left hand part of the aldermanic committee sits to the Left of the Mayor. Isn't this very similar to the Clinton regime whose thinking was, if it feels good, do it? It just occured to me that the left means the Left. I sure hope these people who vote for the indecent, immoral things in life don't live to regret it if things go wrong with their children, after all isn't one of the aldermen who thinks hanky-panky is quite okay, a do-gooder in his own church, or as rumor has it, he just did the thing to have it look good on his resume? Talk about the world going to hell in a hand basket. Maybe the old timers knew exactly how that works.
A work session for where to move the money to keep the pooltime open in Crestwood on sales tax dollars!
Are they recruiting for more pool members?
We're looking at who really is getting crestwood's tax money. The swim club doesn't need any new members, they own former alderman, mayors, real estate owners, who knows who else. Those protecting the 'private' swim club have too much to lose. Maybe divorces, maybe jail time, those goofey 'two books' refered to are documentation ONLY of Crestwoods' previous history. If you are afraid to read these books, it has to be because you may be one of the main characters.
Yawn! TV must be very boring tonight for you to come out with such ignorant thoughts about the swim club.
How about protecting the pool of money from the business deals?
Who is receiving the biggest share of the profits?
Armstrong Teasdales, Lewis Rice, Husch Eppenberger. and Gilmore Bell Law Firms?
Get off your high horse...it's the people like you who act so morally superior who are seeking out prostitutes or gay sex when no on is looking.
" immoral things in life"
What are you talking about. Do you think that if employees would have a relationship, it automatically makes them immoral??? Get a grip... not all people are married and looking for Mr./Mrs. right!
Another example of the narrow minded people. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Whats worse, what poster 10:10 calls "immoral" or a City that allows nepotism?
Report on the TDD work session. I attended the work session along with several residents and Alderman Roby, as well as Alderman Nieder both asked some very pointed questions Of Attny. Klarr. Alderman Bland stated that we need more of a handle on things like this in the future.
C/A Meyers thought we should just give the $295,000.00 to THF for the pool and be done with it, as he felt that was fair.
Mr. Anderson advise the Board members present that he felt this entire deal was wrong from the start, and thus no monies should be given.
I asked Mr. Klarr if he had any of the proof he claimed to have as to why we should consider this in the first place. Answer, just one document,which I looked at.
I also asked Mr. Klarr why Armstrong Teasdale's web site touted a "Crestwood Pool," and not a private swim club, and did he know that from the beining? Answer, we changed the site.
The issue moved to parking, lighting, and I ceased to ask any more questions at the behest of Board President, Miguel who ran the meeting (the Mayor was not there.)
Aldermen in attendence as follows:
Nieder, Roby, Bland, Picle, Miguel, as well as the three newly elected Alderman who showed enough interest to attend.
All in all I believe it was a very productive meeting, and I am glad I was allowed to be a part of it.
Tom Ford
Tom and Roger...two of Crestwoods most self important citizens. Thank goodness they are asking the questions .
Sarcasm eh?
Thank goodness they are asking questions. Not asking questions got Crestwood in trouble - too much rubber stamping from the old days.
713PM blogger: Self important, Moi? But no my friend, we heard you coulden't, or woulden't ask the "tough questions," so we stood in for you!
But then you woulden't ask why we should give up our tax monies to a private pool, now would you. No you woulden't, why, because you no doubt are a member of that private pool, right?
Tom Ford
Where was Kelleher?
Where was Breeding?
Where was Duwe?
Are they members of the swim club?
Well, at least Crestwood has term limits so we don't have to deal with them anymore.
Asking questions? Maybe if the previous boards asked some questions, did some research, Crestwood wouldn't have some of its problems.
It's funny that no one admits if they are a member of the swim club.
Its funny that no one admits that this is just a vendetta against the swim club.
7:50 PM blogger: Well, after WW2 no one had ever been a member of the Nazi party in Germany. That was because, no one wanted to admit the atrocitices committed in the name of the party!
This, however is a bit different as no one want's to be anywhere close to this now that the truth is coming out, and that's understandable!
Face it, the truth of this deal will win out, and when it does,well let the chips, and the blame fall where it may!
Tom Ford
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Tom,
Who is paid to for the $295,000?
Tom,
What was the document that Attorney Robert Klahr showed you?
Can you please post this document on your blog for the Citizens of Crestwood?
And the parking lot is empty 364 days of year, besides the ambulance that sits there waiting for a call...
TAlk to Kohls about that--it is their requirement. Which no one on this blog will accept. They only accept rumor and innuendo...which was apparently shown in spades by the underemployed meeting groupies yesterday...
Tom, I don't understand "behest of Board President, Miguel". You mean to tell me that you were ordered not to ask any additional questions????
Why was the Mayor NOT present??? I guess it is just like the Ways and Means committee of 3 - not all need to be present when discussing important matters.
Roger Anderson is the biggest busybody in Crestwood. How much as he cost us in Legal fees. I DEMAND TO KNOW!
You to DEMAND???
DEMAND all you want.
Didn't the city settle with former C/A Kent L.? How much did that cost? How much for the settlement and how much for the legal fees?
11:19, great guestion, just how much has Roger Anderson cost the city?
He saved the city a lot of money by asking for a state audit. That state audit the financial difficulties the city was facing.
How much did previous aldermen/administrations cost the city?
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Tom,
Out of curiousity, how difficult -or easy - would it be to do an IP trace on the 2:32 entry, or any other one for that matter?
I would imagine the hosting company would have a record of network traffic on this blog. Just asking.
Why don't you call the Crestwood Police and find out? Tom is a ex cop and he is always bragging about his ties to law enforcement
Mr. Ford gets to you, doesn't he?
In fact, lets call in the FBI. However, we may need to call Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as well, to investigate some of the comments on this blog...what would Elliot Davis say?
"He saved the city a lot of money by asking for a state audit."
That was audit #5 for the year, wasn't it? Did not come up with much more info....waste of money!
Sorry, the cops are too busy using their new radar guns. Too bad the current police chief stated that in the past the police weren't performing their duty to the fullest...included himself, I guess...pity
I detect a little bit of bitterness...
2:32PM blogger: Very easy, but this is eaven better, religate the (------) to the trash bin! And while were at it the 9:02 comment will follow.
These people have NOTHING to back their comments on when it comes to the pool issue, so they do what all good little liberals do, they hurl insults!
Me, well let's just say I hurl the "delete" button, and remove their comments so they wont be thought of as the (--------) they really are!
Tom Ford
10:12 AM blogger: There was a time limit set for the meeting, and I ran up against it. Mr. Miguel was just doing the right thing in moving the meeting along, no problems there!
I am not sure where the Mayor was, nor any of the remaining sitting Aldermen/Women.
The $295,000.00 would go to THF as reimbursement for the $850,000.00 paid to Rosebrook Realty / Swim Club for the lots they purchased, and have already paid for.
The documment I looked at was an agreement between THF and Rosebrook Realty for the property sale.
Roger Anderson has a great deal of business sense about him that has, and will continue to be a great asset to Crestwood! Mr. Anderson deserves nothing but high praise foe his efforts on the part of Crestwood's citizens, and until any of us does as well, I suggest we just thank him, and move on!
Tom Ford
I thank Roger Anderson and you Tom, for this service.
Present at the meeting yesterday were:
Jerry Miguel
Greg Robbe
Steve Nieder
Chris Pickle
Rich Bland
City Administrator Frank Myers, Public Works Director Jim Eckrich
I believe there is a meeting of the TDD Board Thursday morning at 10:00AM.
The previous Crestwood City Administration brought that state audit on themselves. They threatened a little guy with eminent domain so they could give the Creston Center to Mills and they fought back. You would do the same thing if you didn't want to lose your business.
Somewhere on this blog I read something about Mr. Myers wanted to get this over with.
Well, Mr. Myers, we don't want to get this over with until it is settled correctly.
You are not a long time resident, nor employee. Consider this.
The Crestwood Swim Club is a wart on the city scene. The politics surrounding this travesty is beyond belief. No one who knows the facts will settle for haste as it is time to open eyes to the truth. Liability to do this will continue to rest with city officials who are not members of this private swim club. They represent the constituancy, not the swim club and Mr. Myers, so do you.
Poster 10:20 do you realize what you have let out of the bag with your post? Think about what you wrote, it was not the citizens of Crestwood who were behind the costly audits but a wealthy non resident of Crestwood who used the State audit as a method to stop the legal development of his under used property that if improved would had benefited all Crestwood. Look at the Creston Center today 3 years after it was re-painted and it is still not fully occupied, and this with a friendly City Hall in charge of Crestwood with no threat of eminent domain hanging over his head.
WOW, do you realize what cat you have let out of the bag? We thought that the audit was driven by citizens of Crestwood concerned with the books of their city, now per your post we find that was not the case.
Does anyone else who was behind the audit feel as I do as having been "used"?
What did the audit have to do with the Creston Center development? Confused.
I do know the mayor stated that he was on Creston Center's side regarding this matter.
I'm telling you the City of Crestwood (former CA) threw the first stone. They are responsible for the audit. They started the unecessary fight.
Friendly City Hall? Yeah, they were friendly with Mills. They literally had Creston's property bull-dozed before they even ask him if they could buy it?
Creston center did more than just repaint their property and they did it WITHOUT TAX ASSISTANCE! You can't say that for the Wealthy developer who got 2 million dollars to fix a property he failed to maintain while he was collecting rent on a vacant building that was not generating tax revenue. (New signs, paving, legal costs and HVAC. Those qualify as improvements?)
Now there are 2 new developments going in on the property surrounding Creston without tax assistance, right? Meow.
No,you are telling us that the Creston Center is responsible as they USED the State Audit to divert time and energy away from improving Crestwood. Still has at least a 25% empty rate, and the property will need a new paint job soon.
What you forget is any development at that location needing tax dollar help, the help does not come off the top of Crestwood taxes but the County as it is inside the annexed area.
I guess you are ok with the Marxest position that the ends justify the means.
Question 9:51
I'm asking this because I'm not sure - does Crestwood get any tax revenue from the businesses in the annexed area? If it does, is it a reduced amount and does a portion of it go to the county?
Crestwood gets a greatly reduced amount of sales tax revenue from the Annexed area. Additionally, Crestwood has to pay for protection. The Creston Center costs the City more than it takes in in revenue.
Thanks for the information. I'm assuming by protection, you mean the Affton Fire District?
Yes, Affton Fire is who we pay to protect the Creston Center with its 75% full rate and get a reduced sales tax in return to Crestwood.
Makes my chest swell up with pride that I helped the "little guy" at the cost to Crestwood. Wish I had asked more questions back then.
Marxist? Hmm, I guess the American thing to do is take someone's property and give it to someone else for their profit?
The audit was justified. It reinforced my suspicions of waste. Take a look at some of the computer equipment purchases. Top of the line stuff.
What tax revenue was Boulder Springs going to generate? It was going to be mainly apartments and about 35 townhomes. Who would maintain the streets? Provide police services? Where would they shop? It was too "chic" for Crestwood.
So it's okay if the tax dollars come from the county, just not Crestwood?
I voted no on annexation because it was too costly for Crestwood. Have to agree with you there.
I'd say eminent domain is a bigger Marxist move. Confiscation of property and redistribution of wealth?
Boulder Springs would have increased the Cities population. Since the amount of sales tax dollars given back to a city from the County is based on it's population it would have brought more $ into the City than what Crestwood can keep because it is in annexation area. But you knew that all along but refused to admit it, didn't you?
As to being too chic for Crestwood, that is your view, not one shared at that time by the people who make their living developing real estate. And where would they have shopped? The Mall is just west of the location is question and not a part of the annexation so there would be a much better tax profile on money spent there. Who would protect them, the same fire and police dept who is going to protect the seniors who move into the project being built now.
As far as Marxist, in the USA the property is paid for, not taken away by Crestwood, the only ones who can and do take your property away without payment is the IRS.
Final notes, the expensive computer equipment was being purchased by Mr. Conley when Kent L was the City Admin.
How many people who signed the petition for a State Audit knew it was being used as a method to stop the improvement of the property at Watson and Grant? I know I didn't and if I had I would not have signed it.
Still proud? I'm not.
The "annexed area" gave a great deal of things to the residents there, not the least of which was a reduced fire protection district cost (we pay for it now.)
The blogger that stated they were proud to have helped the little guy is right! Unfortunatly, thoes "little guy's" haven't helped Crestwood, in fact I believe they cost us more than they pay in.
Another one of the former administrations "better ideas!"
Tom Ford
You're gonna make your buddy Jerry mad with talk like that Mr. Ford! Remember, he lives in the annexed area! As far as I am concerned it is another reason to give it back!
Former administration Kent L. and Mayor Brasfield for the record. When a later mayor tried to make the deal better for the rest of Crestwood by having a development of new up scale villas built at the corner of Watson and Grant the CCSG (CRESTWOOD CITIZENS FOR SMART GROWTH) we now find out used the State Audit petition to tie up the City's hands(as admitted to on this blog)
The neat thing about the upscale villas was the property tax they would have proved the City is NOT shared with the rest of the County, like every sales tax dollar spent in that area now.
Thanks CCSG members and Kelly Isurewood, the head petitioner for the State Audit, Mr. Roger Anderson, Jerry Miguel, Roy Robinson and others who came to the aid of the "little guy" the non resident owners of the Creston Center. What is being built there now is no were near what we could have had, and in fact is a major step backwards. And the Creston Center is still not full of business.
Makes me proud!!
11:22 AM blogger: Well I am not worried about ruffling anyones feathers, or have you missed that on the blog?
As I see it my job here is to put up interesting topics, and yor job is to reply to them with witty banter, and comment's.
So far it's worked pretty well, so were going to leave it that way. I should mention though that I am not, nor will I be "in the pocket" of any elected official, which is why I can, and do blast any of them when I think their wrong!
Tom Ford
Someone keeps throwing around the word "proud."
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Kay!
Who is Kay?
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