OOPS' The swim club overflows into the retaining wall!
It seems that on Friday May, 25, 2007 while filling the Crestwood swim club pool, the pool fillers were called away, or left with the water valves in the open position. Why not said I, as that's a lot of water to run into anything.
Well someone must have forgotten to return to shut off the spigot's, as the pool overflowed sending water into the retaining wall. Officials from the pool were notified, and within the hour the water was shut off.
I think that was a pretty good response time considering it was a holiday weekend, and the gates are locked so just anyone can't get in. So now we know that there are measures in place in case accidents like this happen in the future. Still it left me wondering if all that water and the resulting hydraulic pressure it must have caused has done any damage to the retaining wall.
Will the pool officials be asking a civil engineer to inspect the wall for possible damage? I think it would be a good idea, and I hope they share my feelings on this and have that done as soon as possible.
Tom Ford
NO. 338
Well someone must have forgotten to return to shut off the spigot's, as the pool overflowed sending water into the retaining wall. Officials from the pool were notified, and within the hour the water was shut off.
I think that was a pretty good response time considering it was a holiday weekend, and the gates are locked so just anyone can't get in. So now we know that there are measures in place in case accidents like this happen in the future. Still it left me wondering if all that water and the resulting hydraulic pressure it must have caused has done any damage to the retaining wall.
Will the pool officials be asking a civil engineer to inspect the wall for possible damage? I think it would be a good idea, and I hope they share my feelings on this and have that done as soon as possible.
Tom Ford
NO. 338
posted by Crestwood Independent at 16:36
106 Comments:
Does the Swim Club have flood damage?
Is it true the Sewer Lateral Insurance is only for the Residential Properties?
If so, who pays for the damage due to a sewer lateral leak?
Who was the structural engineer that approved of the retaining wall?
I feel so sorry for the house that decorates for the holidays.
What a great way to retire in Crestwood with a flooded yard?
Tom Ford is the structural engineer who approved the retaining wall. Catherine Barrett built it.
Tom, why dont you report the Swim Club to the police and all of the officials will be arrested.
6:27 PM blogger: well we may as well have, who was it that signed off on this anyway?
Swim club officials, do you have a name for us to talk to?
Tom Ford
Has Ms. Barrett been notified that she is once again the receiver of a deluge of water in her basement and back yard. Maybe noone really cares as some of the children cat call and make fun of her from their perch on the poolside. Is there any insurance for damage to neighboring homes from the swim club?
I dont believe this ever happened
Did Stock Associates drew up the Crestwood Swim Club drawings?
yes, contact the swim club official, Mr. Mike Hunt--have him paged at the pool.
Ask Director of Public Works Jim Eckrick!
If you are truly interested in getting to the bottom of this, please call the pool and have the managers paged. I am certain that they can address your concerns. They are Hugh Jass and Mike Rotch. Please call them, they will gladly assist you.
Please visit St. Louis County Building Permits and ask for the approved drawings of Crestwood Swim Club.
You may see one big permit for the whole pool without a structural engineer for the retaining wall.
Who approved of the drain tile system around the pool that drains into the drain pipes in the retaining walls?
Has anyone ever seen a drop of water out of the drain holes?
Why is the retaining wall cracking every six feet diagonal? Did someone forget to put in a support system?
I hope we never see this retaining wall bust while someone is in the pool.
How much pressure is on this retaining wall?
Well, if someone had hired a structure engineer, then we wouldn't be discussing this issue.
The pool did hire a structural engineer. The name of the firm was Heywood Jablome & Associates. Look them up in the Yellow Pages
7:43 PM blogger: Thank you for the information! We will call them and ask who in fact signed off on the retaining wall!
But while were doing that, will you hire them to come back out and assess the possible damage from the overflow? I hope so.
By the way, 7:15 blogger, it happened!
Tom Ford
Who would ever build a pool on a hill?
Where is all of the water coming from near Rayburn and Samoa?
uumm clearly you dont read architectural digest...who would put a water tower on top of a hill? Is whitecliff built on a hill?
http://www.crestwoodswimclub.com/membership.htm
(All dues include sales tax as Uncle Sam requires his share)
please contact Eileen Pickel at 314-966-4866. Is this the wife of Alderman Pickel?
http://www.crestwoodswimclub.com/contactus.htm
Emergency Numbers are:
This Page is Under Construction.
Does Crestwood Swim Club have an emergency plan if the retaining wall fell?
Do they practice emergency fire drills with all of the little children?
Ask Tom Scherrer, former Alderman James Kelleher about the pool drawings and permits.
Was it true that Tom did all of the plumbing and mechanical work without permits in the pump house?
Hope there will never be an explosion?
Did the Fire Chief inspect everything for safety?
http://www.stockassoc.com/portfolio.htm
Phone: (636) 530-9100
http://www.stlpools.com/contact.html
The Pool Specialists 11766 Missouri Bottom Road Hazelwood, MO 63042
(314) 731-0055 voice (314) 731-2178
Dave Harrison Sales
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?350862
THOMAS M. SCHERRER - Is this the same Tom Scherrer that is related to James Kelleher?
TMS CONSTRUCTION CO.
10594 SUNSET PINES CT.
ST. LOUIS MO 63128
Is there a leak with one of the four valves?
Where is the leak?
Maybe Mr. Kelleher can get a bucket and bail out some of the water. Hopefully he won't get his bow tie wet.
Gee wiz, I thought by now that someone would tell me if the retaining wall should be inspected due to the run over.
I guess "we have nothing to fear, but fear it's self" otherwise why the silence?
Is it me, or dosen't anyone care what happens if the wall comes apart?
What say you swim club officials?
Tom Ford
maybe nobody has commented because nobody cares about your blog anymore tom....
Who are you--the retaining wall police?
When was the last time the City of Crestwood Engineers examined the Crestwood Retaining Wall next to the Crestwood Swim Club?
It looks like it is falling apart.
Tom,
Have you driven by the Brown Retaining Wall on Old Sappington Road?
Where are the weep holes?
I thought Watson Road had natural springs.
And maby no-one has commented because you know I am right! at any rate, over 50,000 hits on this blog, so someone is looking at it!
Am I the "retaining wall police?" No such thing that I know of. No I am just concerned about safety, and the property of our fellow citizens.
The retaining wall on Old Sappington has drain tiles for drainage, if you want to see the plans Jim Eckrige has them.
Tom Ford
To 7:15pm May 30th. You don't believe someone left the valves open and locked the gates and left? They must have left in one big hurry as there were numerous MSD trucks just pulling in. Is there a connection here? Try calling Ms. Regina Massie who the people said they called to ask to have it turned off. This could have been very dangerous since this puts an enormous amount of pressure on the retaining wall. One thing for sure, if negligence ever causes this wall to come tumbling down, there will be no way for the pool owners/caretakers to say they weren't informed. I remember quite a while back someone ask if the Swim Club has insurance against such things as a collapsing wall and to the best of my knowledge, noone ever felt they needed to give an answer. As for your not believing this information, which planet are you residing on?
Why would the pool folks even consider responding to inquiries posted on a blog run by a known racist and a bunch of crazies?
Is Tom Fords blog some sort of government entity?
"Why would the pool folks even consider responding to inquiries posted on a blog run by a known racist and a bunch of crazies?"
12:03 PM, June 03, 2007
Well to answer that my LIBERAL friend, please find a mirror, look into it, and ask yourself the question! Why, because YOU DID, didn't you.
Raciest and a bunch of crazies? Is that the best you have? Is that all you have? Come back with a normal answer and I will pay attention to you.
Now I know you think you can go to the parties and tell all your bud's "how you told us," and you what, you did! Now we all can see what a complete lack of understanding of reality you have. Thanks for the post!
Tom Ford
2;12 PM blogger: answer, why yes it is some sort of "Government entity." It's "by the people, of the people, and for the people!"
You will find that in the preamble to the constitution should you forget where to look.
You bet it's some sort of government entity, we are the government, you, I, and every LEGAL citizen of this great Nation!
Tom Ford
Tom, please put down your cocktail, take a deep breath, and understand that your blog is not a government entity that requires your fellow Crestwoodians response. If you indeed think it is, you are delusional and need a mental health evaluation, pronto.
Do you understand toungue in cheek scarcasm? I hope so. Re-read the post.
By the way, I don't do "cocktails" Thats for the rich, I am a bud lite kind of guy!
Tom Ford
Let's do a little damage control here.
First of all, the retaining wall must meet the St. Louis County Master Plan or it couldn't be built. The plan requires that all retaining walls meet certain criteria. There must be a footing and tiebacks( structural units tied to the wall that extend back into the back soils). There must be drainage rock behind the wall with drainage pipes designed to relieve stresses from water pressures behind the wall. I can assure you that a simple call to St. Louis County would substantiate all these items. These walls are designed to withstand these type of pressures. I doubt very much that the overflow would have exceeded that of a torrential downpour of 3 inches of rain an hour. But if the residents are concerned, call St. Louis County inspectors and they will be happy to check it out. I believe there is a County ordinance that prohibits one from directing discharge water onto the property of another.
Which City of Crestwood Public Official approved of the Crestwood Swim Club drawings?
What emergency procedures are in place if the water overflows again? What is the protocol for notifying neighbors, Crestwood Police, Crestwood Fire, and Crestwood Public Works?
How will our Fire and Police evaluate the area if someone is in their basement or in their yard?
What procedures does Crestwood Swim Club and Rosebrook Real Estate have in place on their website and in a Crestwood Government document for all Crestwood Public Officials to have for emergency contact numbers?
Where are the written procedures for Crestwood Swim Club for checking off the valves, testing the water for bacteria, certifying and training personnel, and procedures on who to call?
Does the Crestwood Swim Club have a training program with all of their employess to certify for emergency procedures and for doublechecking all working parts that affect the water levels and chemicals?
The U.S. Federal Government requires all written procedures stated by the function of the job not the person name to documented and given to First Reponders such as Crestwood Police and Crestwood Fire. Another copy will be given the Crestwood Public Works to verify any issues that need to addressed with either St. Louis County or State of Missouri.
Since the Crestwood Swim Club Pool is listed as a Commercial Pool on the St. Louis County Real Estate Assessment page but is listed on Residential Property, I would recommend that our City Officials enforce whichever is the strictest.
Has St. Louis County reviewed all permits from the Commercial Division of St. Louis County?
If not, when will the City of Crestwood take a stand and protect both the Crestwood Swim Club members from illness and tradegy and the community as a whole.
In your spare time, drive by the Keystone Retaining Wall on Old Sappington Road and find the weep holes. Then research what are the requirements for Keystone in our region with certain kind of rock due to the clay mixture. Clay will bust a Keyston Wall and has in this area.
By the way, verify how many earthquake tremors we have in the St. Louis Area and then you will feel sorry for the residents by the Old Sappington Keyston Retaining Wall.
Is it true that there are Natural Springs all along Watson?
Review the Crestwood History books at Oak Bend Library!
Is there an emergency plan for Old Sappington residents?
Tom,
Is it true that either Rosebrook Real Estate Company and Crestwood Swim Club doesnot pay a MSD St. Louis Sewer bill?
How can this be?
The original Crestwood Tennis Court Property was lacking easements so I wonder who is paying their MSD sewer bill?
All of this is making sense.
A recreational private pool with exclusive membership can be built on a residential zone property with an assessment of $67,000 and not pay a MSD sewer bill and use the City's Name in their Club.
Making of Pirates of the Caribbean Part IV is in the making at City of Crestwood!
The question is who is our enemy and who are our pirates with spending our public money for cool dip on a how summer day!
Excellent questions and suggestions, in your spare time, why dont you research,write, and organize all of your suggestions, then duplicate multiple copies of your plan and distribute to everyone in Crestwood.
Has anyone reviewed all of the Whitecliff Spending? Why was this over budget?
Two swimming pools being built at the same.
Is it true that the Whiteclif Bonds allowed for around $600,000 to be used to redo the City of Crestwood Parking Lot?
How does the City of Crestwood Parking lot fit into the Whitecliff Project?
Has anyone tracked the $750,000 Interservice Fund? Is the money in the bank or just on the report?
8/31/2006
For Crestwood Swim Club Pool
Real Estate Tax History
Locator Number: 25M621280
Owner Name: Rosebrook Realestate Company
Assessed Value: $61,750.00
Tax Year 2005 Amount Due $3,514.83
Date Paid 12/14/2005
Tax Year 2004 Amount Due $3,533.36
Date Paid 12/27/2004
Tax Year 2003 Amount Due $ 669.11
Date Paid 12/31/2003
Residential for Tax Year: 2006
Appraised Land 45,700 19%
Improv. 279,300 12%
Total 325,000
Other Buildings & Yard Improvements
Commercial Swimming Pool
Total Area: 5659
Is our Public Officials reactive or proactive?
Is everyone waiting for a Katrina to happen in the City of Crestwood?
Ask the Crestwood Police and Crestwood Fire departments how often they certify and train their personnel to save one life.
I was trained to be prepared and discuss how to be prepared instead of saying this will never happen in Crestwood!
The City of Crestwood is building structures that were never considered in the past because that generation saw the original landscape of the land and saw the springs and knew where the Creeks were located.
Is our Public Officials reactive or proactive?
Is everyone waiting for a Katrina to happen in the City of Crestwood?
Ask the Crestwood Police and Crestwood Fire departments how often they certify and train their personnel to save one life.
I was trained to be prepared and discuss how to be prepared instead of saying this will never happen in Crestwood!
The City of Crestwood is building structures that were never considered in the past because that generation saw the original landscape of the land and saw the springs and knew where the Creeks were located.
Tom,
Has anyone been to the St. Louis County to review the Crestwood Swim Retaining Wall diagrams signed by their engineer?
Well, it is one big project with Stock and Associates listed.
Since the pool was built on residential zone with a commercial pool, who needs a structural engineer to review the drawings.
Who whatever think that a resident of Crestwood would build a pool the size of a Titantic Ship on a small plot of farmland which is designed for a house, garage, and a flower garden without easements?
So will all of their new MSD sewers, water lines, and Ameren Electric lines run on the neighbors property with their designated easements because that is what is on the plats?
Another sweet deal for the Public Officials who love to swim with Public Funds change!
Ask the Mayor all these questons, he is the one in control of everything, just go to a Board of Alderman meeting if you don't believe me.
All excellent questions! Now will anyone from the swim club (in an official capacity) Answer them please?
As far as I am concerned, I don't care what the answers are, but if so many of your fellow citizens are "concerned," it seems to me that as a good neighbor you owe them some answers, no?
You need not answer them here, but why not ask for a "town hall" meeting to clear this up for once and for all?
Just a recommendation, but I think it would go a long way to ending this debate, and cement your relationship with the neighbors.
Tom Ford
I heard that the birds are back on Bali Court from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m.
What is bringing all of these birds after the Crestwood Swim Club closes?
Is it their pizza leftovers?
It is pretty annoying.
Who do you call about these wildbirds flocking around this pool?
Can we set traps?
Please advise.
I vote to open the Crestwood Swim Club to all citizens of Crestwood.
Dip in, it is paid by your real estate dollars and sales tax dollars.
Tom,
All day long the Crestwood Swim Club staff uses their speakers for pizza orders and phone calls but can't yell out to the neighborhood the pool is leaking.
Arm's way it is coming your way!
The Titanic is sinking!
The birds are flocking to the place of evil..the sinister pool in the middle of Crestwood. Beware
Lets do open up the pool to all of Crestwood. Lets make it a free for all. Party on. Kick ass.
Do birds usually fly around after dark? Are the pool people playing a record to scare birds away so they don't 'drop' into the pool? Doesn't Crestwood have an ordinance that noise disturbances are not allowed after 10PM. Doesn't it give you the idea that the people who run the pool don't give a tinkers darn for the ordinary citizens who have spent their life's earning to build a home where they thought they could have peace and quiet? I have only heard it rumored that a lot of rich people and not all Crestwood residents are mostly the ones who belong to the pool. Couldn't they pool their money and buy out the four little homes at the foot of the pool and put in a parking lot that wouldn't be involved with the city parking lot? There usually are remedies for all problems, isn't there a reasonable remedy for this?
you have lost your mind.
Yes indeed, good common sense thinking would seem illogical to someone who thought it a good idea to build a pool right smack dab in the middle of a residential area especially if it is a land-locked property. The only person who would think this is a good idea is the person who owned this tiny piece of property and was looking for a way to make the most of it with no regard to the home owners surrounding it. If I have lost my mind, I'd like for you and me to have a mental exam to see you can't think straight. I'm ready when you are.
FYI - the old location of the pool I believe was also zoned residential. If so, how would that fit in your thought process?
The entire BOA voted for the changes to get THF the property needed for the development. No need to single any alderman/pool member out. Only alderman voting against was T. Trueblood.
Who signed off on all of the MSD hook-ups to Rosebrook Real Estate Company and Crestwood Swim Club?
Which engineer approved of a pump in Crestwood Swim Clubhouse to push the raw sewer up the hill to Bali Court MSD hook-up without MSD's acknowledgement?
Where is the permits for the MSD hook-ups for Crestwood Swim Club?
12:12PM blogger: No. 1. Must have been the City engineer. MSD has no records of it at all.
No.2. I can't find any engineer who approved it. Again the City?
No. 3. There are no permits that I can find at MSD, so I guess there were none?
I did find Matt Connely on several documents for the pool, but no County personnell that I know of.
MSD has no record of the pool ever being hooked up to their lines, and the pool pays no lateral sewer tax, yet it was hooked up.
Weekend job? I have no idea, but it will come out sooner or later. MSD was there today to run a "dye test," and I am sure we will have the results of the test soon.
Until then, well let's wait and see what happens.
Tom Ford
Tom,
What signature is on the Crestwood Swim Club/Rosebrook Real Estate drawings and MSD hook-ups besides Stock and Associates?
I am betting there is no signature!
Tom,
It sounds like all of the paperwork for Kohl's TIF, TDD, and CID and for Crestwood Swim Club is all fake with no signatures.
What a way to run a city?
How much do you pay in real estate taxes and in MSD Sewer Bills to live in Crestwood?
Do we have a democracy or a ???
Did you find the number for Heywood Jablome & Associates? They were the engineering firm that handled the retaining wall.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Heywood+Jablome
Heywood Jablome is Urban League just like Crestwood Swim Pool is a "mystical place in the city of Crestwood" with no proof it exists on any government paperwork.
I give my hat to Rosebrook creators, you hid this pool in Sherwood Forest.
Who is the Robin Hood?
How about taking a photo of Crestwood Swim Club pool to add to the seven wonders of the world?
Maybe the City of Crestwood could earn some money on tours!
It would be a great tour to the future children of Unites States of America!
"You can have your own private pool when you run for office and don't worry about getting permits or following zoning laws."
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mysterious-and-mystical-places/lm/16LKPG3YTK744
Why was a bore sample done on the City of Crestwood Parking Lot?
Do you smell Hydrocarbon odors?
How many cancer cases are in both Ward 1 and 2?
Benzene was detected in soil from Boring EB-3A (24.5’-25.5’) at a concentration of 0.0084 ppm, which is below soil action levels. Ethylbenzene was detected in soil from Boring EB-2A (31’-32.5’) at a concentration of 1.6 ppm, which exceeds the total BTEX action level of 1.0 ppm. Total xylenes were detected in soil from Borings EB-2A (31’-32.5’) and EB-4A (16’) at concentrations of 2.2 ppm and 0.0084 ppm, respectively. The xylene concentration from Boring EB-2A exceeds the total BTEX action level of 1.0 ppm. TPH was detected in soil from Boring EB-3A (24.5’-25.5’) at a concentration of 6.7 ppm, which is below soil action levels.
6-Mar-02
City of Crestwood Planning & Zoning Minutes
Mr. Kevin Riggs, P.E. with Stock & Associates Consulting Engineers, Inc. stated that they are requesting the rezoning of 1 acre of ground (known as Crestwood Swim Club property) from R-2 15,000 s.f. Residential to C-1 Local Business so that it can be utilized as a parking lot for the Kohl's store.
Is Kevin Riggs a relation to Elmore Riggs was one of the first Rosebrook Stockholders in 1955?
Who forgot to file the Rosebrook Real Estate Company/Crestwood Swim Club paperwork with St. Louis County?
Keep up the good work on keeping your Mystical Place!
http://www.historicwebster.org/walk/theRidge.pdf
Is this Stanley G. Brooks a relation to the Brooks family on 231 Gray Ave?
Stanley G. Brooks was one of the first Rosebrook Stockholders.
yawn yawn yawn...we have already seen this before!
To the person who said maybe nobody cares about the blog anymore. You could be true, but reading it sometimes when theres nothing on TV, it seems a lot of people have a lot of 'facts'. I have read things on the blog that I have verified on past boa minutes so I don't think those writers are 'crazy. I care even less about your private pool or any pool for that matter, but don't you think maybe there's a little carlessness going on there. Is it true that a former mayor said, this damned pool should never have been built, it's been nothing but trouble? Why would a former city official say such a thing? Of yes, please, to the person who wrote they 'DIDN'T' believe the retaining wall runover happened, skip telling us you don't believe this either because we already know you don't believe anything. Hope if there ever is a dangerous situation in the pool your child isn't in there.
Jim, please stop all that yawning and take a nap.
8:12 / 8:15 PM bloggers: From what I know about it there were no signatures at MSD because MSD has NO RECORD of a hook up! They seem to be scratching their collective heads over this "oversite" like we are.
Like me I am sure you pay a tax to have "tacks" in the house, but their's is very much lower than mine, and most probebly yours. How is that you say? well they call the property a "club house" which seems to change everything at the assessors office.
A while back someone asked about residential V commercial property zoning, well the swim club is zoned residential which begs the question, how do you operate a commercial entity on a section of land zoned residential?
Now, please don't tell me it's not commercial, because you sell snacks, soda, ET AL to your members, er go "commercial" (by the way do you have a "tax number," or do you pay tax to Crestwood?)
Signatures do not bother me in the least, however I do want to know who the heck allowed this dues paying, commercial entity to operate under the guise of a residential pool?
I am all ears, talk to me, and explain this like I am a three year old, because I cant get a handle on it no matter what I do!
Tom Ford
time with your family? Dinner with your wife? An adventure with your grandkids? None of the above because Tom Ford is too busy digging up county records, calling MSD and doing research on hydraulic pressure (hydrostatic, dumbass) to do the things normal people do.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
"A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.
Tom is trying to save our Republic in the City of Crestwood.
Keep up the good work in educating the Liberals who want everything for nothing on taxpayers monies.
The U.S. Constitution has 4,400 words. It is the oldest and shortest written Constitution of any major government in the world."
What record will the Kohl's project set with the Crestwood Swim Club when all of the paperwork doesnot exist?
We can hear the Crestwood Swim Club cheering, Pizza orders, phone call pages but they donot exist on any of the TDD government documents from Kohl's project.
How did the Crestwood Swim club get their money? Cash? City of Crestwood General Fund?
Please explain.
12:58 blogger and Tom Ford...sounds like you two have liberal leanings--almost like communists. Since all of the pool members are rich and you two are clearly working class, you seem to be against anything pertaining to the pool. Sounds like communists to me. Rich=bad and proletariat=good
Oh my gosh! I just moved into the city and someone at our school mentioned this blog and what a joke it was. I must say, I haven't joined either club but have toured both and frankly, Whitecliff appears poorly run, dirty and unsafe as compared to the other club. I don't know the history of Crestwood Swim Club, nor do I care, but it sure sounds to me that you are jealous that your are unable to afford to join a private club! Most cities and subdivisions have pools in residential areas, get over it! Call up Midwest Pool Management or Preferred Pool Care, Bi-State Pools, etc. the majority ARE IN residential areas. This is quite a welcome to crestwood!
Kudos to you and welcome to Crestwood! I agree completely! I AM a member of CSC, formerly of Whitecliff and switched for those reasons! I also must say, membership at CSC appears to have tripled in the few years we've been memebers! There must be a reason for that! Hm, wonder why that is? Could it be that parents WANT to keep their kids safe and opt to NOT partake in a pool that ignores OSHA standared for patron to guard ratios? Lets also consider the teenage lifeguards doing nothing other than flirting with each other and not watching the pool because there is not adequate management. Having been a swimmer all my life, I know when a pool is not safe and Whitecliff is not. So newbe to Crestwood, keep that in mind if you have little kids!
I second the 2:04 pm blogger's statememt about the working class versus the rich and those how are members of the swim club! To quote: "Rich=bad and proletariat=good!"
"Rich=bad and proletariat=good!" (citizen of the lowest class, the working class,) Very interesting indeed! (Crestwood citizens, did you know how the "pool folk" felt about you before this?)
Now we want to introduce "class envy" into this pool debate! I wondered how long it would take you liberals to do that.
I would re-phrase that a bit to say"Rich=good and arrogance=bad!" I couldent care less what you do, or do not have, but I will rally against ANY payment using tax payer monies (Kohl's TDD) to pay for it!
You wanted a new pool, you got it, now please do not make us pay another 1% at Kohl's so you can enjoy it! I have a rather novel idea, it's called pay your own way, after all we "Proletariat" have to do it every day!
Tom Ford
2:53 PM blogger: Welcome to Crestwood! Join what you will, and think what you will, we are happy to have you!
I have no doubt that wherever you moved from have "residential neighborhood" pools available to you. Several areas in the St. Louis areas also have the same thing.
Crestwood Swim Club is different though. This is a private pool in a "residential area!" Not a "sub-division" pool as you may be used to.
As I said earlier, welcome to Crestwood! Were glad to have you!
Tom Ford
Tom--you are the one who ALWAYS brings class into it! Get over yourself.
First, just because you may live in a subdivision/ares that also provides services such as a pool or tennis courts, doesn't mean you don't pay a fee to use the facilities. (Association Fees, etc.) Secondly, I doubt non-residents can join. Oh, I get it a private pool. Not public. hmmmmmm
10:11 PM blogger: Thank you very much for your observation. You are 100% correct, I always bring "class" to the forum!
Tom Ford
I made the comment: I second the 2:04 pm blogger's statememt... yet I'm not a member of the swim club, just making a passive comment, it appears to have struck a nerve!
Hi from the new resident and thanks for your welcome, Tom!Actually, my family and I looked at living in Warson Woods, too. They have the same exact setup with a private club in a residential neighborhood where you pay to join and it costs more! I do not see the big deal here? I must thank you for the entertainment, tho, this jealousy or whatever you call it is absolutely hysterical!
Hey now! I am a PROUD member of "the working class" as you call it and am also a member of the swim club and am welcomed openly by all! So Tom, you cannot use the line about what the "swim club" folks think about working class because that is not true! I also joined this club for safety reasons and agree whole heartedly, WhiteCliff is not safe! Yes, it costs money to join, but my children's lives are worth it, "blue collar worker" or not, I find the money for what matters!
Actually, Tom, I attended one of the meetings early on about the swim club getting a new pool and the reason for it was because the police department needed that lot where the pool was for parking AND the city wanted it for Kohls. They MOVED their club for the city, so, tho I'm not a member of the club, you can't blame them for the 1% at Khols! You can blame your city administrators for that! Oh and by the way, I'm "working class" too! ;-) AND I agree with all statements about whitecliff pool. Why not blog about that and leave these poor people alone!
to the bird freak who made that comment! I LIVE near there and the pool uses a dumpster that the city ownes, so you should probably consider calling either the trash company for not picking up enough or the city... Or better yet, give God a call, he created birds! lol! Do I like the club in my back yard? NO, but come on! Blame them for the birds?!
9:05 AM blogger: You seem to be one of the only people "who get it!" My job is to provide humor (when possible,) and to bring up topics that interest the good Citizens.
Now, that said, I sometimes illistrate absurdity with absurdity to get my point across, and to generate a response from the readers.
Of all the issues in Crestwood the swim club is one sure way to do just that. I guarantee that it will generate a response no matter what. Think of this as a "less filling, tastes great" deal.
Please remember that this blog is designed for all of us. If you have anytinng that you would like to make a "main thread" just E-mail me, and I will put it on (no nasty's please.)
So, again welcome to Crestwood, Warson Wood's loss is our gain!
Tom Ford
In most responses about the swim club I read the word's "safe pool."
I guess I am at a loss as to what that might mean. Are you saying that Whitecliff is a hazardous pool for all of us? Do you have better lifeguards, better standards, better OSHA rules, or what is it?
Please give us a list of things that make that statement (safe pool,) so I can pass them on to the BOA, and get Whitecliff up to speed as you seem to be.
Thanks for your help here as we all want a "safe" enviorment for our families.
Tom Ford
Crestwood Swim Club's lifegaurd audit will be coming very soon! As will Whitecliff's! Both places are as safe as the managers make them! I am a lifegaurd auditor for the American Red Cross and I live in Ballwin. I observe Crestwood Swim Club Gaurds quite often and they are normally AVERAGE! Whitecliff guards are very comparable. As a matter of fact, there are five guards that put in time at both places. If I were some of you I would be more worried about how Crestwood Swim Club "purchased" most of the deck furniture that has sat around the new pool the last few years. Most of it was not paid for I can tell you. They paid for some and then kept on filling up the movig van with furniture they did not PAY FOR! At least Indian Hills paid for all the stuff they got from Country Hill and Cousilman Hunsaker!
To: 11:57 PM, June 09, 2007 anonymous: Wow, for someone who lives in Ballwin, you sure are worked up! Hm, last I heard the lifeguard auditing was a contract with the ARC and 2 it was if requested! IF you REALLY are a lifeguard auditor for the red cross, you should publish your name so either club can contact you! Isn't the goal safe pools?
I agree with the comment to the Ballwin person, I think the story is a crock and someone just stirrin the pot. Otherwise, there would be no shame in putting your name up there!
If you saw the members stealing furniture and loading it in trucks, you certainly should have reported it by now, rather than waiting over three years and posting it on this blog...
If Crestwood Swim club has contracted with the red cross for periodic audits,(this goes for Whitecliff too) they will be displeased to learn that their auditor is posting anonymously on this website. Catherine must be back in town!
That is not one of Caherine's posts. I know her style, and believe me that's not it.
The "Ballwin" post's a new style that I havent seen before. What I want to know is just what does a "pool auditor" do anyway?
Do you audit the books, do you observe life guards, do you test PH levels? This sounds like a really exciting field for me in retirement!
I agree with my esteemed colleagues, this may be a bit of the blarney, and who "liberates" deck chairs anyway, certianly not the swim club members, why should they?
In order to have seen this so called perloining of the furnature you would have to work at the store, and if you work there you don't have time to be an auditor!
Ballwin, you do get around, don't you.
Tom Ford
Well Tom, I am willing to bet someone called the City today to inquire about the American Red Cross auditing our lifeguards. Or contact the American Red Cross (contact Josh Beeks at 589-6134) and ask him your questions.
Josh Beeks? Will do when I return from a visit to the "Crestwood independent's" Mom in Ohio!
Thanks for the info!
Tom Ford
Does the Crestwood Swim Club have a liquor license with the State of Missouri?
Who's name is on the liguor license?
How often is this liquor license renewed?
Has either Rosebrook Real Estate Company or Crestwood Swim Club file a change of address for their liquor license?
Who is paying the sales taxes for the Liquor License?
Every week I am in a safety call for our plants throughout the world.
If American Red Cross training and auditing can save a life, that is great.
We use American Heart Association emergency training for our employees.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3011794
Does Whitecliff and Crestwood Swim Club have an AED (Automated External Defilbrillation) mounted on the wall for emergency purposes?
Now, the high schools are mounting the AED's for their athletes to prevent a death!
Red Cross Stresses Water Safely as Summer Kicks Off Article
http://www.redcross.org/article/0,1072,0_312_6726,00.html
Lifeguarding article
http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/aquatics/lifegard.html
American Red Cross first aid class with Lifeguarding training
http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/aquatics/
http://www.indianhillsswimclub.com/index.html
AQUATICS CONSULTANT: Counsilman/Hunsaker & Associates, Inc. - 10733 Sunset Office Drive, #400, St. Louis, MO 63127
Where is Country Hills Pool?
Do you mean Norwood Country club?
Ask the Crestwood Swim Club employees about their Bird Music they play from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m.!
Was this listed in their Conditional Use Permit?
I am probaboy going to go to hell, lol but I am a member of csc and the "board" holds meetings all summer every summer at the pool. I overheard the president, Todd Cross, wachovia, say he was going to fire Tom Scheerer ()sp? the pool guy for the flood LAST year. My wife tried to snoop around but board members were closed mouthed, sorry, Tom!
oh, I know him, he is so self righteous, that cross guy, has a kid who is a lifeguard there and from what i hear is too fat to swim but he keeps her on staff. My wife works there, his email address is: todd.cross@wachoviasec.com.
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