Crestwood picks up a liquor license with the $1.00 dollar parking deal!
Well folks if you were wondering what "other considerations" meant in the land deal for the pool parking lot, I think we found it. It seems that a liquor license has been issued to the swim club (as it should have been,) but the license is issued for 904 Rayburn Av. Where is that you ask? Well that is the 54 space parking lot deeded to Crestwood for "$1.00 and other consideration" in the Kohl's TDD deal. Now that same 904 was the pool tennis courts, and all was well then, but now things have changed (the TDD.)
It seems that the holders of the licence forgot to transfer it to the pool address (1275 So. Sappington,) so I am not sure that it's valid, and if it is,what is the liability to the City as the property owner? In my opinion the City does not need the potential liability that goes with the license. It's their license, but it's our property! Will the owners of the licence please transfer it to the correct address ASAP so were off the hook? I hope so.
Tom Ford
NO. 345
It seems that the holders of the licence forgot to transfer it to the pool address (1275 So. Sappington,) so I am not sure that it's valid, and if it is,what is the liability to the City as the property owner? In my opinion the City does not need the potential liability that goes with the license. It's their license, but it's our property! Will the owners of the licence please transfer it to the correct address ASAP so were off the hook? I hope so.
Tom Ford
NO. 345
posted by Crestwood Independent at 10:07
70 Comments:
Had to post something about the pool Tom, since no one seems to give a hoot about your blog unless it is pool related. Right?
Gee, all evidence to the contrary (51,450 hits,) and not all pool related.
Tell your bud's to get this fixed and we can forget about it!
Tom Ford
You are such an outstanding watchdog for the city of Crestwood. Too bad you never have you facts straight.
2:54 PM blogger: Please go on the state liquor control web site and tell me what you see!
Next look up the official plats for the properties at St. Louis County.
Now when you have all that in your hot little hands please come back and tell us what they say, because they think it's so, I think it's so, and the only one who seems to doubt it it you!
The records are what they are, I didn't file them, but someone sure did (by the way the name on the liquor license is a pool member.)
But I guess I would dispute it too if I had the potential for a liquor control investigation at my door step.
All you need to do is change the address on the license, and it is a non issue, so what's the problem?
Tom Ford
Why dont you call the FBI, the liquor control, the Crestwood Police, Catherine Barrett, County Police, The U.S. Government, Elliot Davis, Jay Nixon. While you keep busy doing that, everyone else will go enjoy the parade tommorow.
God idea, but I have allready contacted the Crestwood Police, the County Police, the division of liquor control, and the BOA with this information, and it's in their capable hands!
Gee, now I can go to the parade knowing that another wrong has been righted.
By the way the FBI is looking into another project for me, and they woulden't be interested anyway (local thing you know.)
You have the right idea though, now if we can only get the "responsible parties" to start doing the right thing, we can all go to the parade!
Tom Ford
Word on the street the FBI is not happy about the local busybodies...just thought you would like to know.
Word on the street? Good grief, the FBI is not happy with the picadillos of a local club!
Thought you would want to know!
Tom Ford
Tom,
Are you saying to have a budweiser to get this fixed so we can forget all about it!
Check it out yourself
http://www.atc.dps.mo.gov/Reports.html
click on County Clerks(May 31, 2007) Excel File
find Crestwood in column C
904 RAYBURN CRESTWOOD MO
PO BOX 260083
Gary Vincent
then
click on County Clerks(June 20,2007) Excel File
Where is Crestwood Swim Club?
Where is Gary Vincent?
Tom,
Was this deal for a $1.00 legal if Rosebrook Real Estate Company never received a check from the City of Crestwood for $1.00?
Is there a cancelled check for a $1.00 written by the City of Crestwood to Rosebrook Real Estate Company?
Who deposited the $1.00 check and into which account?
ask former Alderman Gary Vincent who is the President of Rosebrook Real Estate Company.
ask former Alderman Kelleher, former Alderman Breeding, former Alderman Duwe, former Mayor Jim Robertson
Every citizen in Crestwood is a watchdog especially when you have a private pool next to City Hall that has public official members.
Who's idea was to build a private pool next to a police station and keep the name Crestwood?
Crestwood Swim Club could change their name to SPPP which stands for Safe Private Party Pool!
Tom,
Can you post the $1.00 check?
It may not exist!
When there is pools of money going down the drain from the City of Crestwood,
you need a watchdog like Tom to stop the sewage from bankrupting the City!
The check for $1.00 from the City to Crestwood swim club seems to me missing.
I am going to send the City clerk an FOIA form requesting a copy of it, so we shall see.
The famed books have all the other copies of checks and transfers, but no $1.00 check.
Maybe it was a "cash" deal, and there is a reciept for it at City hall.
At any rate we still need the club to request a change of address for that liquor license, and soon please!
Tom Ford
2:45PM bloger: From the liquor control web site: CRESTWOOD SWIM CLUB PO BOX 260083 CRESTWOOD, MO 63126 ENCLOSED POOL DECK AREA AND GROUND LEVEL OPEN BRICK STRUCTURE BUILDING 904 RAYBURN, CRESTWOOD, MISSOURI.
You will note it says 904 Rayburn, no? The remainder can be viewed under #1338,
http://www.atc.dps.mo.gov/Reports.html
Tom Ford
Tom, why dont you call the swim club and ask them about it? Why dont you contact the swim club authorities directly rather than contacting everyone else. If this really is such a deep concern to you, and not a big deal, do the swim club a favor and give them a call and tell them. That would be the courteous thing to do. But instead, you choose to cut and paste and hide in behind your blog rather than participating in any sort of community building activity or committee. You say you dont have time to serve on legitimate committees, but you have an awful lot of time to do research on line....Sad.
12:13 PM blogger: Hidwe behind my blog? What a curious thing to say condidering you have chosen to "hide behind the non de plume anonymous!"
Once again we have a "stallwert, brave citizen who is happy to make remarks from the cheap seats, but un-willing to put themselves out on "front street!"
If you wish to debate me fine but do us all a favor and tell us who I am debating.
Sad you say? I will tell you what is sad here, and that is your apparently not having the courage of your convictions. If you did, you wouldent mind giving your REAL name, now would you!
Tom Ford
tom, i dont think you have the guts to actually confront the swim club. every time someone comes up w/ a good defense or argument, you go on a rant about how they are hiding behind their anonymous name, or they're a flaming good for nothing liberal. Its time to buck up and act like a normal person would. anyone can talk with a keyboard, but can you actually do it in real life too????
Please show me the "good defense or arguement." So far all I have seen is smoke!
Tom Ford
Contact Missouri Liquor License office yourself
http://www.atc.dps.mo.gov/contact.html
District II
Jefferson City
573-751-2964
Distric III
St. Louis/Wainwright Bldg
314-340-6835
Click on Contact Us
http://www.crestwoodswimclub.com/contactus.htm
This Page is Under Construction.
How can Tom contact a company when they do not list their phone numbers?
So who is really hiding!
Ask the Missouri Liquor License office when Crestwood Swim Club listed 904 Rayburn.
Then call St. Louis County Revenue to find when 904 Rayburn was not listed for property taxes.
Who is not keeping up with their government documents with a former Alderman as a President?
Is the Kohl's TDD bonds that same as Olive Blvd TDD Revenue Bonds?
"The Bonds have not been registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or under any state securities or "blue sky" laws. The Bonds are offered pursuant to an exemption from registration with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In making an investment decision, investors must rely on their own examination of the terms of this offering, including the merits and risks involved. These securities have not been recommended by any federal or state securities commission or regulatory authority. Furthermore, the foregoing authorities have not confirmed the accuracy or determined the adequacy of this document. Any representation to the contrary may be a criminal offense."
What happens to the City of Crestwood if Kohl's store closes?
We are heading into a recession similar to the 1970's!
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:yTbL7_9XmckJ:www.atc.dps.mo.gov/29thedition.jan2007.2.pdf+tim+barber+with+missouri+liquor+license&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
A good article!
As far as the swim club goes, do we have a list of people I should contact?
Would someone please post the board members on the blog so we can contact them?
Tom Ford
Call the following:
Gary Vincent
Jim Kelleher
Mr. Breeding
Mrs. Duwe
They should be able to help you.
http://www.crestwoodswimclub.com/applicationform.htm
Crestwood Swim Club
P.O. Box 260083
St. Louis, MO 63126
please email - webmaster@crestwoodswimclub.com
http://www.crestwoodswimclub.com/membership.htm
Your Crestwood Swim Club Board
Regina Massie President
Anne Milford Vice President
Todd Cross Secretary
Susan Doyle Treasurer
Eileen Pickel Member at Large
Phil Sidlo Member at Large
Jamie Ellington Swim Team Coordinator
Nancy Wall Co-Swim Team Coordinator
please email - webmaster@crestwoodswimclub.com
Ask Alderman Chris Pickel
1360 Raycrest Dr.
Crestwood, MO 63126
(314)966-4866
cpickel@ci.crestwood.mo.us
Alderman Chris Pickel is Director
- External Affairs for AT&T-Missouri. In this position, he coordinates all of AT&T's charitable contributions in the state and works with local communities on various telecommunications issues.
The number for the pool is posted on their sign which is located directly on Sappington road. They are also in the phone book. Look them up. there is nothing to hide.
You are trying to find some loophole or technicality to trip up the pool. That is extremely petty. If you truly cared and were as concerned as you say you are, you would do the neighborly, community minded thing and contact the pool. Instead you choose to contact all the authorities. That's fine too, because everything is above board. Your attitude and agenda is transparent and is wearing thin.
Is someone getting on your nerves? If so, why?
9:48 AM blogger: I am not sure I get it here. If everything is OK as you say it is, then how can a liquor license be issued to an address that does not exist at St. Louis County records?
Can you please explain it to me as though I was a three year old? Believe me, I hope everything is OK here, but, you know the old saw, "trust but verify!"
Tom Ford
There is clearly no reasoning with a three year old...and with that, I bid you adieu Tom Ford.
"trust but verify" unless it's this mayor and the newly elected aldermen, right Tom?
Tonight there is a work session of the Alderman at City Hall to discuss the finiancal condition of the City as it relates to the Fund balances and the FIVE YEAR PLAN.. Anyone going? Did anyone even know about this meeting?
I guess we are expected to just "trust" as there sure wasnt any notification about the meeting. You would think this Blog, as the voice of "information" for Crestwood would be talking about this meeting first and foremost, but no, the focus remains on other things that have no bearing on the future of the City.
Thanks Tom for "trusting"!
6:45 Am Bloger: Thank you, now I will not have to explain it to you!
Tom Ford
Hey! Lets blame the pool for not telling us about the 5 year plan! Those jerks! Or better yet, lets call all the board members work numbers and talk to their bosses and get them fired!
I cannot believe those people at the pool took us for a whole dollar! How can that be? I KNOW it was the pool and not perhaps a clerical error! I say we call the DEA! Since Tom is buddy buddy with the FBI and all the police dept, mayor, etc, perhaps the DEA will listen to your whining, as clearly no one else gives credence to what you say, otherwise, the pool would have been "busted"!
Oh my goodness, you will NOT believe this. There is a pool, called Fox Creek that is RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF a neighborhood! How could those idiots have done such a thing! lol! Oh wait a minute, they don't charge for membership, THAT explains why no one is all pissed off!
OH! Duh! The REAL reason Tom is pissed off at the pool is because he LOST in the Aldermanic elections to, guess who, Chris Pickel! Low and behold, the green eyed monster strikes again! Oh, my gosh, wait, is that Chris Pickel's info listed at work... Don't believe it: http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/elections/ERESULTS/el0406/crestwood.html and do a search (On the Edit menu at the top, choose Find) and enter Tom Ford! BUSTED!
lol! THAT explains everything! Tom, you lost all credibility! All hale to Crestwood Swim Club! Lets all join and start a blog to talk about Tom... WHich, by the way, Tom, what is the REAL story about why you left public service???? Hm?
Lets all say it together, SOUR GRAPES! lol!
OH hey! TOM, you probably want to follow up, but I hear the chief of fire in crestwood is sleeping with a member of crestwood swim club... its common knowledge... should we find that person and list their home and work numbers here cuz they are part of the conspiracy?!
I am the new crestwood resident who wrote in on the last blog, checked in tonight after a few weeks. I need to tell you that when I went up the the club to see if they pro-rate for the season, some of the off duty lifeguards were doing inservice training! I asked about it and was told it was to ensure their skills were above par! It was so wonderful to see, the management is not hiding behind anything because it was during open hours! Apparently there is "new blood" at the club this year and they are really gung ho on making things safe and happy! So more power to this pickel person, with whom you seem to have a vendetta, and whomever else works with the club! I will join there next year, if I can get in, and will proudly say that here!
Hey, lets all teepee the pickels house in honor of tom's losing the election! Tom, what is their address again?
dont be stoopid (oh and yes, I did spell in incorrectly on purpose), Tom, the number of "hits" on your website has nothign to do with the number of people who visit it, but the number of TIMES it was visited! Each time the blog is refreshed, it counts as a hit!
I STILL say its cuz Tom can't afford to join the club that started the bitterness, then the election loss! Ouch! Can we all say slander?
Hey, there is a thought, tee-peeing someone cuz you are mad at them! WE did that, oh, 20 years ago and it worked great! lol! Good point, tho about all the pettiness! Lol!
Hey, how about this address: 569 Joshua, Crestwood, MO 63126! If you guys to that to the pickels, lets do that to the Fords! Oh and wait, here is they phone number at home, lets contact him at all hours! At least he doesn't have small children like the alderman does!
Oh gee! I looked and Tom's number is unlisted! Hm, why would that be? He is free to put other's phone numbers out there, but not his own? Come on tom, lets have it!
Oh man, Tom, I had no idea about this sour grapes thing! Too bad, for am minute or two I was thinking you really had crestwood's best interest at heart! SIlly me!
Lol! This solidifies the jealousy! http://www.crestwoodindependent.org/2006/03/tom-ford-gives-interview-to-sun-crest.html
He attackes kelleher on the blog too! lol!
lol! Thanks! Here are exeprts from the reference:
Anonymous said...
Tom,
would you tell us the name of the company you work for? Pickel has his company listed on his website.
4:31 PM, March 23, 2006
Anonymous said...
The old swim club was never part of the TIF Redevelopment Area or included in the Redevelopment Plan. The Attorney General's opinion only covers property located within the legal boundaries of the TIF District.
4:37 PM, March 23, 2006
Crestwood Independent said...
I cant see the relevence, as I have not placed any endorsements from them on the blog, but call me, and I will tell you.
"my name is Tom Ford, and I want to be your Alderman from Ward Two"
Tom Ford
Ward Two
Hey, I want to hear more on this nepotism thing!
thanks for the URL! HEre is MY favorite:
Anonymous said...
If this is the only "big scandal" you have to promote your campaign Mr. Ford--it says that you really don't have much to say to promote your own qualifications....While your supporters are so busy spinning in circles about Crestwood pool, you are bragging about your wonderful interview in the call where you managed to dodge the most important question of all ---whether it is a conflict of interest to be an alderman in the city in which your son is a policemen. It is so sad. you have a special interest group paying for your signs, you are completely misguided when it comes to the FACTS about the finances of the city. All you and your supporters are is MAD. I would bet you couldn't explain all the ins and outs of a TIF or a TDD if your life depended on it. How silly that you are just going to wait and see "what the code says if you are elected." Where do you work? What skills are you bringing to the table? If all you can think about to negate the qualifications of your opponent is the one vote in 2001--you must be feeling pretty sceeeered. If you would be elected alderman--how many time would you have to abstain from voting--A LOT--then what is the point of being an alderman?
9:05 PM, March 23, 2006
Here is what I find interesting on the link someone sent, look, Tom wont even tell anyone where he works yet he is quick to encourage you to contact Mr. Pickels work! WHATEVER! Pot calling the kettle black! Mr pickel didn't hid anything, why are you Tom?
All hale pickel!
Hey, does anyone know if alderman pickel has a blog! We could bash Tom?! Oh, wait, um that would mean sore winner! lol! I'm guessing me pickel, married to Eileen, father of 3 isn't that way! lol! Maybe if he lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No the csc customer is sleeping with the police chief! not the fire chief! lol!
Wow, from the number of responses received today one must gather that a great awakening has taken place amoung the pool club members, or Project head start is out for the summer.
Reading some of the posts I find a bit of wit, and in others, well lets just say, well....
By the way LOL is an oft used term by those to lazy to write out the full words, at least give us your full attention when trying to slam me.
As I have often said, you want to start a blog, go for it! Heck you could have taken over Mr. Truebloods blog when he lost interest in it. There was your chance to shine, but no, you didn't do that did you.
The poster who wrote about the hit's was correct, each time someone goes there the number advances, but hey someone is either way to bored, or it's being read.
My guess would be on the latter as is evidenced by the number of answers to this thread today.
Well kiddies, blog on, it's good for your mortal soul.
Tom Ford
For the record, Mr. Ford is not sour grapes about anything. (I am not a relative or close friend either). So your criticisms are unjust. But then they are falling on deaf ears anyway. You, on the other hand, just might have this affliction from the sound of your notes.
Besides, if I am to think that the new Ward 2 Alderman, Mr. Pickel, subscribes to the same nonsense as the blogger who really is out of reason on this string, I will be sorely disappointed in him. I certainly hope that he is way above this nonsense and is professional enough to keep his nose clean. Ward 2 and Crestwood desperately needs leadership with integrity. Something not available in recent years.
2:40 PM, July 05, 2007 Oh, I don't think anyone said anything about the beliefs of Mr. pickel. He seems like a nice man... You'll have to go to the next aldermanic meeting and ask him, if you actually care enough to get off your lazy ass and do someting about it
Oh tom! You are dating yourself. Even the 42 year olds who text message know what lol is! If you hadn't lost credibility wiht the pickel thing, you sure did with the comment: By the way LOL is an oft used term by those to lazy to write out the full words, at least give us your full attention when trying to slam me.
Its not about you darlin, but is laugh out loud, ask you sons, oh wiat, that's the nepotism LOL! If you are going to bash those in the public eye, get with the program...
Ton, its gotta be the time of day and word spread around about all the responses at one time, I gotta say, tho, their points are valid... You never did address you leaving public office and I'm one of your supporters... "anonyous" put doubt where it has never been before, Tom
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A friend sent me a link to this website who belongs to csc with me... I'm in a position where I can responde legally and without probems. Oh and Yes, You have my name! LOL! Oh tom, yep, Im 40 and I know what that means!
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10:41 blogger: Please read!
Crestwood Independent said...
7:29AM blogger: I sent in my resignation due to my extended work hours this summer.
I have been on the road some mornings as early as 5:00AM, and arrived back home at 6:00PM. upon arrival at the house "office" I still have a couple of hours paperwork time, so I felt I could no longer do justice to the board.
It seems that the older I get, the harder I am working! This is not what I expected, but I am like an old fire horse, I just can't sit in the barn and vegitate.
I understand that Mayor Robinson has appointed an excellent replacement, and I am sure he / she will do an excellent job.
Tom Ford
5:40 PM, June 27, 2007
So you see I did respond, you must have missed it.
By the way, the deleted post used words not allowed on this blog, hence BY BY! Please from now on use the intelect you claim to have and use appropriate for all ages!
Thank you,
Tom Ford
Oh tom, that is they blue collar in you, the correct spelling is BYE BYE! But there is no suprise here with your selection of words...
As far as your resignation, that is not what the city (oh hold on Trigger, NOT the swim club but actual reps for the city! Oh wait, Chris Pickel didn't weigh in on this, so its all a crock) reps say about it. There is more to this nepotism thing! Why don't you respond to that, Tom?
Oh and COME ON, you have nothing more to say to the Pickle thing?
Did you hear, the division of liquor patrol invaded crestwood swim club today???????????? They got an anomyous tip and they left because everything was in order! lol! I'm not a member, but I think its hilarious the comments from you, Tom... Lets all say together WHATEVER!
I am at a loss as to just what the "Pickel thing" is all about!
I think you have me mixed up with someone else, as I have not mentioned Mr. Pickel for quite some time now.
I for one am glad he won! As I have said, I no longer have the time to do the job of Commissioner, not to mention Alderman! Things change, and my schedule is sure one of them!
"Blue collar?" You bet I am, and very proud of it my friend! You see we "blue collar" folk don't have the delusions of grandure harbored by the "white collar" types!
We just raise our kids, pay our taxes love our community, our country, and work darn hard every day!
Now, as to the "nepotism thing." You may have noticed that I was in no position to influence anyone on anything when that new rule was applied! If you were to ask Mr. Golterman about it, I am sure he would tell you that!
I didn't ask for it, I coulden't care less about it, and I am out of it 100% so why are your shorts still in a knot?
By the way, shouldent you be in bed by now?
Tom Ford
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