The Sunshine law, and the 8-21-07 meeting!
One simple question, was the sunshine law violated by the BOA, and more importantly the City Attorney at last nights "open" meeting?"
At last nights meeting a Crestwood Citizen asked Board President Roby for a copy of the items pertaining to the PGAV proposal on the plaza. Mr. Roby asked Mr Golterman if that was OK, and I am told Mr. Golterman said NO! Now, once the paperwork is on the floor, is that not public information? I think it is, and as such should have been allowed to be seen!
Remember folk's this is OUR tax money being spent by the the City fathers, and as such, I believe we have a perfect right to know how it's being spent! Mr. Golterman should have known that a simple FOIA form being filed will get us the information we want, and if he didn't, well I will be filing said form ASAP, so now he has the "heads up" to file an injunction against it.
While I am at it, I will also be asking for a copy of the "agreement, contract" between the City, and PGAV reference the latest expenses ($1400.00) for giving the report last night.
NEW INFORMATION JUST IN! I am now told that the attorney who advise our citizen that she could not have the packet was from a law firm at the meeting, and not Mr. Rob Golterman! This information came from the citizen who asked the question herself, and not from my source (who apparently was wrong!) I respectfully regret the error!
Tom Ford
NO. 375
At last nights meeting a Crestwood Citizen asked Board President Roby for a copy of the items pertaining to the PGAV proposal on the plaza. Mr. Roby asked Mr Golterman if that was OK, and I am told Mr. Golterman said NO! Now, once the paperwork is on the floor, is that not public information? I think it is, and as such should have been allowed to be seen!
Remember folk's this is OUR tax money being spent by the the City fathers, and as such, I believe we have a perfect right to know how it's being spent! Mr. Golterman should have known that a simple FOIA form being filed will get us the information we want, and if he didn't, well I will be filing said form ASAP, so now he has the "heads up" to file an injunction against it.
While I am at it, I will also be asking for a copy of the "agreement, contract" between the City, and PGAV reference the latest expenses ($1400.00) for giving the report last night.
NEW INFORMATION JUST IN! I am now told that the attorney who advise our citizen that she could not have the packet was from a law firm at the meeting, and not Mr. Rob Golterman! This information came from the citizen who asked the question herself, and not from my source (who apparently was wrong!) I respectfully regret the error!
Tom Ford
NO. 375
posted by Crestwood Independent at 18:16
62 Comments:
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
January 17, 2007 edition of the Suncrest Call, or why no board minutes from the civil service meeting?
Now this one is a very interesting edition folks! Read the column and editorial by Mr. Burke Wasson. I have never heard of a civil service board meeting, or for that matter any board meeting where no minutes were taken.
It seems the C/A hasn't either, as he said he doesn't have an answer for it either. Well, not only is it like pulling teeth to get a meeting date and time from City hall when it comes to specialized boards (TIF,TDD,CID,) it now appears that this one wasn't publicized very well either!
"Sunshine law, we don't need no stinken sunshine law!" (to paraphrase Eli Wallach.)
Please click on the header for the on line paper.
Tom Ford
NO. 275
I trust you have a point here, if so pray tell, what is it?
Tom Ford
Why was the Crestwood Mall voted for a 353 before Mayor Fagan left office?
Ask Burke Wasson if he received a copy of the PGAV RFP.
Can the city post the Crestwood Mall RFP so all developers or buyers can see their plan?
I thought the goal was to rebuild the Crestwood Mall.
Ask Gilmore Bell lawyer why only certain developers can see this RFP.
Who is sending out the RFP? The City of Crestwood which is a government entity? PGAV? Gilmore Bell Law Firm?
And what happened why Mayor Roy Robinson was in office during the 66 Drive-In?
What was in the 66 Drive-In by PGAV?
I feel sorry for the residents who border the Crestwood Mall!
What happened to all of the gross receipts?
Which corporate companies have left Crestwood?
Ask Alderman Miguel why there was $1.4 million missing in the budget?
When is the next TDD meeting for Kohl's?
Will this be a Special Executive Meeting without any comments?
Is the Attorney Robert Golterman's idea?
Can the City of Crestwood be the first to use a TIF, TDD, CID, 353, or land use for a commercial business with great paying jobs who want to eat out in Crestwood?
Is the plan by PGAV, Gilmore Bell law firm, Armstrong Teasdale law firm to work at Wal-mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, and Target for $7.00 an hour but not be able to eat out in Crestwood?
How many cities in California are broke with these redevelopment tools?
Can AT&T use these redevelopment tools to keep jobs in Crestwood?
Can the City of Crestwood be the first to use a TIF, TDD, CID, 353, or land use for a commercial business with great paying jobs who want to eat out in Crestwood?
Is the plan by PGAV, Gilmore Bell law firm, Armstrong Teasdale law firm to work at Wal-mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, and Target for $7.00 an hour but not be able to eat out in Crestwood?
How many cities in California are broke with these redevelopment tools?
Can AT&T use these redevelopment tools to keep jobs in Crestwood?
Interesting questions. Can you provide any answers?
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm
How about building a Charter School at the Crestwood Mall?
Check out Bill Gates foundatation!
Oh that would provide a lot of income to the city!
No comments the other night? No public viewing of the RFP for the mall? Meeting in executive session to discuss this RFP? That's good for at least a few Sunshine violations!
http://www.hud.gov/local/mo/community/cdbg/index.cfm
Tryla Brown listed
Is Crestwood planning on being an Entitlement City?
Who would benefit from this?
http://www.zontastcharles.org/news.htm
Tryla Brown Club Secretary received 2006 Community Builder Award from the Community Council of St. Charles.
Is Tryla Brown's interest in for business attraction by eminient domaining your property for her Developer or Builder connections?
If Tryla Brown is promoting eminent domaining the Crestwood Mall, then is your property next?
http://www.topix.com/county/st-louis-mo/2007/07/ofallon-mo-ordered-to-hand-over-police-employee-records-in-lawsuit
O'Fallon, Mo., ordered to hand over police employee records in lawsuit
O'Fallon, Missouri
http://ofallonjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/08/15/news/sj2tn20070811-0812stp_order_1.ii1.txt
Judge denies city's second attempt to recoup legal fees
Six plaintiffs filed a lawsuit against the city last year, alleging two former aldermen conspired to violate the First and 14th Amendment rights of public speakers during Board of Aldermen meetings.
The plaintiffs alleged the city set policies about public comment at board meetings "to retaliate against the plaintiffs for the exercise of First Amendment rights of free speech."
Sounds like August 21st Meeting in Crestwood!
Expect your real estate taxes to go Up UP UP and away!
Stop the competition by only giving to a large developer public financing!
Who created U.S.A? Small businesses?
Start shopping on the internet to save sales taxes.
Expect your real estate taxes to go Up UP UP and away!
Stop the competition by only giving to a large developer public financing!
Who created U.S.A? Small businesses?
Start shopping on the internet to save sales taxes.
Our Constitutional process is be highjacked!
Is Attorney Robert Golterman a U.S. Citizen and has dual citzenships with another country like Russia?
Dont forget that Tom posted that he spoke to the Mayor and Mr. Roby about speaking before the Board on this matter and BOTH told him no citizen would be allowed to do so. Mr. Golterman works for them, so who do you think told Mr. Golterman what to say when a citizen asked for a copy of the PGAV work product?
Another concern is the report by Tom that MR. Roby said PGAV was not hired by the BOA yet there is a bill for their work.
Didnt the Mayor when he ran for office promise to be a full time Mayor and to be watching over City Hall daily? Are you trying to tell me that he had nothing to do with these and the other Sunshine Law and Charter violations? Come on people, get a clue already!
Run Jerry RUN!!!!
Where did you want him to run to?
Does Batman pay taxes on the Batcave?
Did Batman build the Batcave using a TIF?
Is Robin an employee or business partner with Batman?
Has all of the proper documentation been filed with the IRS?
Tom,
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Were the road improvements done with a TDD?
How many chickens have crossed the road in Crestwood?
Should chickens pay sales tax?
Why are gross receipts called gross receipts? Are they gross?
If 2 + 2 = 4 and 4 + 4 = 8, then why is the sky blue?
If a + b = c, then why do birds fly?
If Joe was 4 miles from home and driving south, and his sister Mary was 6 miles from home and driving north, then what was the name of Joe and Mary’s dog?
If Fred and Ethyl danced the jitterbug, and Joe and Eileen danced the waltz, and Eileen and Ethyl were sisters, what color was Fred’s socks?
Tom,
Bacon?
Lettuce?
Tomato?
How many Bacon, Lettuce, and Tomato sandwiches are served in Crestwood?
Can we get a BLT with our TDD?
Should we ask Mr. Eastwood?
Do any aldermen eat BLTs? Where’s the proof?
Good Lord, we have a drunk playing on his computer! Have you ever had a few drinks and said some really dumb stuff and then later had someone remind you of what you'd said. Some of the comments put on this blog are pathetic, either someone so bored with their life and/or drinking daytime but I guess we should be grateful we help them out by letting them vent. What a sick society we have become, god help us.
to 10:13am My best guess is that your poor parents saved their money to send you to college, right? So you took psychology? Cognitive thinking? and lots of booze and maybe a little maryjane? It's obvious to readers of this blog you skipped 'common sense' class. Were you the class clown? Dressed funny? unusual ties? What do I do know? Maybe it's time for a vodka tonic. Here's to you, whatever you are!
Chill out people!
I was just having some fun. When I read the blog this morning, I saw all of the questions in post after post after post and I thought I would ask some questions myself!
Don't take me seriously. To the 2:02 and 2:09 bloggers, thanks for your entries. I wondered if someone would take notice and someone did!
Good way to get the spot light off the Mayors stomping all over the rules of the State and our City, that is all you have done.
Sounds like now is as good as time as any to secede from the city of Crestwood.
I know several people in the annexed area that would like to do that and go back under county government. What's especially interesting is that these are people who voted to become part of Crestwood.
Good news on the RFP front! We asked for it, so let's get up there and read it!
Tom Ford
I received a phone call from Frank Myers stating that there was a rumor that the City was not allowing citizens to receive a copy of the RFP for the mall. I am happy to say that this is not true. The City has been giving copies of the RFP to citizens when requested.
Sincerely,
Tryla
Tryla Brown
Economic and Community Development Manager
One Detjen Drive
Crestwood, MO 63126
314.729.4718 v
314.729.4794 f
tbrown@ci.crestwood.mo.us
Why is it not posted on the website?
I know several people in the annexed area that would like to do that and go back under county government. What's especially interesting is that these are people who voted to become part of Crestwood.
GREAT... maybe we can give back Jimbo Robertson.... What an embarassment he was.
5:43 PM blogger: I guess they don't want a "run on City hall" to get the info.
But, she is giving it out, so let's get up there and get a copy for ourselves.
By the way, she answered me very quickly, as did Frank Myers, so I am a happy camper. That is until we start talking about 353's and eminent domain!
9:36 PM blogger: If they wish leave and return to county so be it! By the way, that will be a very larger saving for Crestwood. We gained next to nothing in tax revenue, but pay out large sums to the Afton fire protection district (and others) to keep the area.
If you were to ask them about the money they saved by joining Crestwood I bet they will change their mind!
Tom Ford
Well, I got my copy of the RFP and it is just as i suspected, absolutly of no use to anyone but a potential developer. It simply states what we already know about our great city. So Tom, why on earth were you babbling on about everybody should run to city hall and demand a copy of this story of Crestwood. Did you expect us to find some hidden code word among the information. I am disappointed.
Nope, I didn't expect anything more than what you got! However everyone was complaining about not seeing it, "so..... Now you know the rest of the story!"
Enjoy the read.
Tom Ford
Then why did the Mayor and the Pres. of the BOA deny any comment at the meeting or copies of what you now have in your hand? Was it only to keep it out of this weeks local newspaper? What other reason's where you the mayors right hand man told two different stories about the reason for the meeting?
Come on Tom, we arent all as stupid as some of the mayors followers, shoot straight just this once.
7:17 PM blogger! I think it was because this was done in one of those "executive session's!"
As I understand it, this was discussed, and voted on in a "session" that we were not allowed to be at!
Now that being said, they would have to mis-inform me to keep the "session" private, no?
Am I happy? Not a bit of it my friend, in fact, I have lost a lot of respect for most of the folks on that dias!
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutly!"
Desreli
Tom Ford
Well Tom as you have lost respect for most of the people sitting at the dais, care to share with us what you are planning to do now?
You see Tom the executive meetings that the C/A, Mayor and Golterman were calling to review real estate were illegal! All the talk about a RFD for the Mall should have been done in public. Look up the reason that a Govt can call a meeting that is about real estate and you will see it can only be done if the City wants to BUY, SELL or LEASE a property. How were those meetings held using the law? It was a violation of State Law my friend, and you sat there and drank the kool aid.
Kool aid? Strawberry or Grape?
I was joking in my previous post (strawberry or grape yes I know bad joke, but I think the number of executive sessions needs to be looked into. Correct me if I'm wrong, but closed executive sessions are allowed for personnel matters and real estate matters, as the 11:18 blogger says, buying and selling.
So what you are saying is the executive meetings were about the City buying, leasing or selling the Mall?
Buying - with what money?
Leasing - with what money?
Selling - does the City own the Mall to sell?
I wasn't saying anything regarding buying or selling of the mall. I was just curious about the number of executive sessions.
Curious is fine but arent you at all interested in if they were legal?
The explanation for these meetings that are being discusssed here should be addressed by Robert Golterman, the City Attorney. This is what he is being paid for. If they were wrong, it is his fault and his duty to give an explanation.
The BOA will needs to remind Mr. Golterman of this duty. They rely on him for his legal expertise.
11:18 PM blogger: Well I for one will be asking the tough questions on this blog, as well as City hall.
I will also be E-mailing ALL the Aldermen, and the Mayor, and C / A reference my displeasure! What are you prepared to do?
By the way does anyone know if Alderman Pickel reads any of his E-mails? I have sent him at least six with no response! Is this "taxation without reprensation," well no Alderman Knarr responds every time!
Tom Ford
Ward 2 knows that if you don't belong to the pool or ST. E's, you have no representation from Pickel. Sadly, it is a Ward 2 tradition.
Tom, I don't think I would respond to your emails either. Your posture on this blog shows you just want to try and stir the pot. Don't think much constructive long term solutions are presented. "Gossip column" - if I were an elected official, I would not want to be associated with this site. But very entertaining reading, thanks.
8:24
So you don't think that Tom, as a citizen of Crestwood and a registered voter, deserves a response from the elected official who represents his ward? Have you ever heard of something called democracy?
Furthermore, I don't think Tom has to stir the pot. It is already stirred up at City Hall.
Finally, your comment about "constructive long term solutions" is interesting. Please tell me, how many of these "constructive long term solutions" have come out of city hall in the past five or six years?
One has to wonder why someone who finds this site so bad reads it.
But then one does not have to wonder long.
Consider the source.
And, we all know who that is.
However, I personally get a huge kick out of this sad-sack. It makes me realize how grateful I am to realize the difference between this blogger and all the really wonderful bloggers who apparently irritate this sad-sack by knowing too many facts. So while the blogger keeps up his sorehead posts, I read them and put the whole thing in perspective and feel confident this administration has a lot of competent supporters in comparison. What a relief.
8:24 AM blogger: I AM VERY GLAD YOU ENJOY THE READ! I would think though it would be the responsibility of a sitting Alderman to respond.
I am glad that "code of conduct" went down, as at least two Alderman would be up on charges of dis-respecting a citizen.
Who you ask, well first ward Alderman Bland for his body language, and refusal to pay attention to a speaker at a BOA meeting (two to be exact,) and Alderman Pickel for not answering several message's from a constituant.
This is a public forum as is a BOA meeting, so why not answer?
Tom Ford
Well, apparently Pickel was groomed to follow Kelleher, that fine outstanding representative of (gosh who) who spent his whole term being disrespectful, stupid, or absent. It is a shame Pickel finds it necessary to show disdain for any fellow board member or a resident and bring back memories of his predecessor. This, sadly, is not in his job description.
As for Bland. He is pretty much an airbag. In fact, is getting pretty good at it. I think he is definitely in line for grandstander of the year. These two keep forgetting they represent their whole ward and the whole city and not just their little group of gypsies. I thought they would do better and help us get past the nightmare of the past few years of RobertonFagan
Greer. But they aren't smart enough and are bereft of integrity. Otherwise, would they not be respectful and attentive?
Tom,
yawn
get A LIFE
I tried to get one at one of the kiosks in Crestwood Plaza. They said they didn't have any.
Tom has a very good life! Hejust spends some of it "tweeking the beak of liberals!"
Boy, you should try it! It's fun to watch their pressure rise!
Tom Ford
Run Martha, run!!!
Is Richard Bland or Tim Trueblood going to run?
Why don't you call them up and ask them? Then you can report back to all of us who read this blog.
I would vote for Martha before I voted for either of those two clowns
I am amazed at the fact that somebody on this blog has so much animosity toward Martha Duchild that he/she has to continually bring up her name in such a tongue-in-cheek manner.
Makes me think that maybe it's because she is smarter and more intelligent than they, and is a woman. It seems that a few bloggers are intimidated by women who possesses a lot of common sense.
It's just laughable to me because if she were a man and stood up and spoke her mind, it would be a totally different story. No one would have posted anything negative at all would they????
I think some on this blog are jealous of the fact that she is not afraid of voicing her opinions. It's all sticks and stones to her, my friends. She will continue to care about her city in spite of you and your irritating banter.
And, you can keep it up if you so desire, but I can tell you right here and now that you will never, ever see her reply to your foolishness no matter how hard you try. That's because she is so far above all you idiots, it's speaks volumes about her posture and class.
Martha, doesn't undignify herself by answering to a bunch of morones.
Right on poster 10:46, right on!!
Martha for Mayor in '08!!!!!
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