Crestwood has some great properties, retail, manufacturing for rent.
Please click on the header to be directed to the site that shows what we have in Crestwood for the businessman!
These are the things Ms. Brown has to work with, and we should be helping her in every way we can. If you know someone who want to open a store or start a business that requires floor space and a great location with a super work force, tell them about Crestwood!
Ladies and Gentlemen, instead of just saying we need more retail / manufacturing, let's see what we can do to help. Were all in this together, so what say we "get er done!"
Tom Ford
No. 390
These are the things Ms. Brown has to work with, and we should be helping her in every way we can. If you know someone who want to open a store or start a business that requires floor space and a great location with a super work force, tell them about Crestwood!
Ladies and Gentlemen, instead of just saying we need more retail / manufacturing, let's see what we can do to help. Were all in this together, so what say we "get er done!"
Tom Ford
No. 390
posted by Crestwood Independent at 10:12
69 Comments:
Yes, lets all help, just a dollar a day will help. Just send it to
Crestwood Response Against Poverty
(CRAP) and with in months or so we
will have given enough to allow our elected officals to dodge doing the tough job in an election year.
That's just a dollar (1.00) a day or $365 a year and we will have a budget easy enough to be on one single piece of paper so our current Mayor can understand it.
6:55 PM blogger: Oh, you mean like how the budget would stand 1.5M for design fees for a building we could never afford? I wish he did "understand it."
Had he been that fortunate we wouldent have been down 1.5M in design fee's, and we woulden't have had to borrow 3.5M from the bank just to operate!
You seem to be one of the folks who like to spend all their waking hours low rating your City, and the Mayor! Why bother? Go ahead, plant a "for sale" sign in your yard, and move!
Maybe some other poor un- suspecting community will need your "expertise," but we don't, were all stocked up here!
Tom Ford
Is it not Great to hear from the President of CRAP. As we all know, this job takes up a lot of time (not to mention space). His message is an inspiration, a revealing inspiration. Good to know someone with this kind of presence is among us who has spare CRAP; someone who still finds time to enlighten our Mayor and those who read this blog.
At this time, I can't afford to tithe to CRAP, I'm still financing all the lawsuits our legal eagle forgot to forewarn us about; but I have decided to spend what time and money I do have being civic minded and put to good use what me mammy taught me: "If you can't stand the heat, say something nice or turn on the fan," Or was it, "A dollar a day = $365 a year." Perhaps "Smaller spreadsheets = more trees."
Enjoy the weekend festivals and the ballgames; the weather, the fireworks. Life is Good! Join SCRAP. It's free and it is a nice way to say "Accentuate the Positive, Eliminate the Negative." :) :) :
Know what! I love this town. The potential is unlimited. The people mix awesome. The challenge exciting. Power to the People! Thank you to our leaders. The ones who serve with honor.
Ask the the Rosebrook Real Estate Stockholders, Rosebrook Real Estate Officers, Crestwood Swim Club Members, Crestwood Swim Club Officers in the City of Crestwood, Missouri past and present what you want in Crestwood:
Elmore Riggs, Aaron Rose, Stanley G. Brooks, R. J. Adams, R. F. Hoel, W. G. Williamson, John S. Wyrsch, Maurice Johansen, Harold E. Beasley, Walter G. Brooks, H.W. Reuter, Jr., Wesley Ben Finke, Catherine E. Kruger, Eugene R. Wehking, Lee W. Kearney, Walter Zimmerman, Gary L. Vincent, Glenn H. Jackson, Jr., Charles P. Scherrer, Jr., Arthur Werkmeister, T. J. McGuire, Goree E. Waugh, William Duwe, William Knopf, Kopff, Kromm, Doug Massie, William G. Lucchesi, Nick Becker, Gerald Bratsch, Grana, Green, Greene, Lingeman, Louis, O'Keefe, Grigaitis, Graff, King, Lux, McGinnis, Miller, Oldani, Meyer, Merritt, O'Neal, Breeding, Pickel, Kelleher, DeFoe, Mehan, Will, Detjen, Scherrer, Compton, Bell, Werkmeister, C. L. Gentemann, Wroble, Theis, Leyerle, Pimmel, Wall, Hirlinger, Massie, Milford, Cross, Gardner, Longo, Saitta, Rosenthal, Becker, Cortopassi, Casey, Curran, Lovera, Louis, Drewett, Schaper, Klarsh, Cunetto, Eisner, Deutschmann, Hoffman, Applebaum, Wall, Sidlo, Meyer, Ellington, Piland, Owen, Doyle, Stock, Emmett, Driscoll, Dudukovic, Albers, Abelin, Bertelson, Blaine, Bosso, Centracco, Claridge, Cram, Degenhardt, DeGreef, DeSutter, Dickson, Doyle, Draeger, Edelman, Faulkner, Fales, Gilbert, Hamilton, Heine, Herman, Hughes, Keller, McLaughlin, Meyer
They may be able to donate their $850,000 to the City of Crestwood to help out with the budget!
Why not donate the $1.00 check for the Rosebrook Real Estate Company 50 parking spaces that does exist?
So, who owns the 50 parking spaces?
THF Realty?
Armstong Teasdale?
Crestwood Swim Club?
Rosebrook Real Estate Company?
dont forget to mention that catherine barret is a rosebrook real estate stock holder too
To the person who keeps listing all of the Rosebrook names---You are so awesome for doing all of this research! Thank you for devoting all of your time and effort to cutting and pasting an inaccurate list of names that really means nothing and proves nothing. We are so grateful that you have nothing better to do than this. You are an asset to our community!
I'll have to check the aldermen meeting tapes, but I thought Breeding said he was not a member of the pool?
To all the sane folks out there that think Tom Ford--and his ilk--are a bunch of nitwits. Lets all make a pact to quit posting on this blog. I am unclear about why I even bother with it--I guess it is somewhat addictive to get a rise out of them, but it just encourages their psychotic behavior. This will take all of the fun out of it for them--they wont have anyone to call liberals any more or Tom wont get to publicly defend all of his friends in high places. I encourage you all to just stop blogging.
Can't bring myself to do that. I'm an addict. Went into rehab and gave up Ted Drews to chime in.
And besides all the fun and frolic, I have learned a lot. Let The Sun Shine in ... Nothing wrong with the information highway. But, if you really find all this disconcerting, do the signoff thing.Since your pool is closed, there is always mall walking.
Bye.
1:53 PM blogger: Gee does that mean I will not be with you at the Christmas party?
Wow, I was so looking forward to joining you and the "others" around the "Wassell bowl!"
However, now that I know you and the "others" of your ILK are destined to be the true rulers of Crestwood I am not sure I am worthy of being in your presence!
I know that my ILK won't be there either as they are all stocked up on "bravo Sierra," and we sure don't need to hear any more.
My friend, you are not doubt a self made person, and I am positive one who worships it's own creater! This however is not the place to do that, so if you wish to leave, please do so, if not we welcome your remarks anytime!
And above all, please remember my motto: "Illitigimus non-carburendum!"
Tom Ford
Is it Ilk season? Will Peta come after me if I wear Ilk? How many ilks are in Crestwood? Where can I get a license to hunt ilk?
Learn something new every day. It just gets better and better. What is not to love about blogging?
5:59 PM blogger: "Ilk" season is interesting, as you have two types of ILK, that being the Conservitive, and the liberal ILK.
One can "hunt" both, but the more interesting of the species is the "Loudis mouthis liberalias ILK" mostly seen at local BOA meetings, and private clubs. These are the ones most prized for their remarks, and haughty behavure.
One must be very careful though as these may not be hunted over a baited field, such as a swim club, or a gathering of liberals at local cocktail parties!
A permit to hunt ILK would be available on line at of the conservitive sites.
Tom Ford
Breeding was a member of Crestwood Pool as a child!
How often did Sandra Grave's child swim at Crestwood Swim Club as a
guest?
Ask the Rosebrook Stockholder why he gave out the list?
If the names are inaccurate, then please email President Gary Vincent!
Please listen to the tapes for clarification of Breeding's membership.
Does Mr. Breeding swim at Crestwood Swim Club with his family as a guest and how often?
It was a pleasure and an honor to research Rosebrook Real Estate Company aka Crestwood Swim Club.
Ask them why it took 7 long years to build Kohl's?
Holding out for how much to build a new pool and get free sewers, water, and utility easements!
A cool deal for the City Politicians!
7:10 PM My daughter Kris swam at the old pool lots of times as a guest, but we were never swim club members. What does my daughter swimming there many, many years ago have to do with anything pertinent?
All I did on this blog was ask a blogger who named me as being a member to remove it because it was incorrect.
I was a working mother for years, and to join a swim club when I had no extra time to swim except on weekends didn't seem like a good idea. Plus my husband is deathly allergic to the sun.
When Kristina's friends would ask her to join them at the pool as a guest, I was very happy for her to be invited. She loved it. What's your point?
I have my own ideas about TIF's CID's, Kohl's, what transpired at City Hall from the time Mayor Killoren retired until now. I have my own opinions about the swim club, and with previous administrations, and how things were handled with the swim club. But it seems that everybody else does too. However,I have no intention of shoving my thoughts down anybody throat. My views and opinions are mine and if I choose or not choose to express them is my perogative.
I hope I have made my point, so enough said. Thanks.
Sandra Grave
Sandra
Please check for your name at 12:28 AM, September 17, 2007!
Is it there?
Sandra,
How many city employees and elected officials were members of Crestwood Swim Club, Rosebrook Real Estate Company, and guests on a regular basis?
Did the guests sign in?
8:15 PM My daughter would be the one who had to sign in as a guest. And the few times I was at the pool, it has been so long ago, I don't remember if I had to sign in or not. Why the cross examination?
8:10 PM The list of names you refer to is the revised one.
Didn't know this issue was going to be a federal case. Must be a lawyer trick.
Sandra Grave
I guess the "in group" in Crestwood (Tom Ford and his group being in the loop with the calls regarding city meetings, etc.) needs to address the budget and development in Crestwood. The amount of money they are whining about regarding the Kohl's money is a drop in the bucket compared to the loss of revenue from lack of sales tax income. You want your services but don't want to pay.....
And the 1.5M was not only for design fees....and out of the $3.5M, $1mil+ deficit was from previous administration (whether you believe that or not - fact), another $1mil+ from decline in sales tax revenue. That does not include the amount of money the city had to fork over for the numerous audits these "citizens" demanded. Give me a break!
"...the amount of money the city had to fork over for the numerous audits these "citizens" demanded."
That was a drop in the bucket as well, compared to the other financial issues.
produce the figures to support your claim of a "drop in the bucket"
You produce yours. You were the one that said "...the amount of money they are whining about regarding the Kohl's money is a drop in the bucket compared to the loss of revenue from lack of sales tax income."
Nope wasn't me. I just read both posts and want to understand how you came up with your position, the other poster did a pretty good job of supporting their position, can/will you do the same?
10:19 AM blogger: Well my friend in the words of Senator Everet Dirkson " A billion here, a billion there, and before you know it it's real money!"
If the $295,000 you think is part of that "drop in the bucket" can, and should be paid to THF by the Crestwood Swim Club! That would be the right thiong to do, and certianly be a very large load off the City coffers.
So just step up members, do another fund rasiser, get out your check book's, and Viola, part of the problem solved!
And by the way these "citizens" should well demand another audit of this TDD mess. One done by the State, IRS, and the securities and exchange commission! Let's really find out for once and for all who did what to whom here!
Tom Ford
Sandra,
Do you know where the Rosebrook fees and Crestwood fees were given to and for what reason?
Have you seen a copy their tax returns?
What were you actually supporting?
Politicians getting elected?
If the $295,000 you think is part of that "drop in the bucket" , then how do you know it is not $1.4 million plus free sewer lines, free water lines, free parking, free electric lines, free telephone lines, free grass cutting, free tree trimming, and free extras!
I am tired of paying for two swimming pools in Crestwood and giving them all of the power.
Power is Absolute!
I am in favor of opening the Crestwood Swim Club to all citizens of Crestwood to free up some money that is being sent down the drain.
How many years have we supported this private pool?
Kohl's would have been built in a few years if someone didn't want his own private pool for his legal deals and political fundraising activities on Kohl's sale tax monies!
Notice who moved out of Crestwood!
Promotion or new clients!
Sandra,
You can be guilty by association without even knowing what their real agenda is all about!
Who really caused you and your family so much grief and pain?
Did you know too much that you didn't even know you knew?
Please leave Sandra Grave out of this. She has given Crestwood many years of great service and hard work. If you want to do something, you should thank her.
I agree, Ms. Grav`e nor her family have ever been members of the Swim Club, period!
Many kids swam there, and so what?
Tom Ford
"free sewer lines, free water lines, free parking, free electric lines, free telephone lines, free grass cutting, free tree trimming, and free extras!"
Now I know that you don't know what you are talking about!! I guess ignorance is bliss or in your case delusional.
I think you need to read the binders again or at least the old BOA meeting minutes. Have fun reading. Back up your statement.
Lets call in the FBI to create a profile on the truly delusional person who is clearly obsessed with the pool and who swam there 20 years ago and what children swam there. Perhaps this person is a pedophile? A danger to themselves and others. The posts have an obsessive tone. I feel sorry for this person.
10:30 blogger
Watch what you wish for. Ever think that the FBI might already be involved. Until such time as you are completely informed about the tenuous situation of this matter, best you just try to get a good night's sleep. Ever think that perhaps you poolers put all your eggs and liability in one person and now those eggs have begun to stink.
whatever....
The FBI...the attorney general...the governer...Elliot Davis...St. Louis County...Barney Fife...
What about Andy and Opie and Aunt Bee?
Gomer and Goober and Howard and Otis?
Don't forget Floyd the barber!
And of course the favorite of many who live for this blog, BOSS HOGG.
Why do you need a private pool when we got a pool?
Isn't our pool safe enough?
At least we have people watching out are city's pool protecting the children.
Is the private pool really safe?
Apparently, you know the person who has harmed the children.
If the children wasn't safe 20 years ago, you must know the person.
You need help!
Is $635,000 plus another $40,000 to resurface the city's parking lot for the private pool members?
If they were to have their $14 million police station built, they would of had all the sewer lines put in place, the ground to support the retaining wall on the east side where it is all washing away, parking, and uphill sewer line replaced.
I didn't know that "crap" run uphill towards to Bali Court!
The Poor People of Bali Court!
Just in, the Crestwood Independent was voted at the blog most likely to be read by Helen Keller.
Congratulations Tom, you should be proud.
6:50 PM blogger: Well, well! I guess you know that I am blind in the right eye, or if you don't, you do now.
Now, should I take offence to your remark? Should I look at it as "insensitive," or a remark from a " child of a lesser God?"
Let me tell you my friend, your remark, while intended to be humorous, is going to offend someone, so should we look down on you as a "creaton" with no idea of how to communicate, or should we forgive you?
Well, I for one will forgive you! However you may have a problem with your liberal friends now that you have let your true feelings be known!
Tom Ford
Give me a break, blah, blah, blah - keep the blog going. Do you really think that a blind person would ever read the comment?
Does anyone know what DESCO is leasing at the Schnucks property on Watson? Are they leasing property inside the Schnucks store? Just noticed a new sign out front.
Seems like another company (not DESCO) is handling leasing for the vacant space next to Gordmans.
I don't know the answer to your question unfortunately, but did the sign just appear?
Interesting that the Crestwood Schnucks building (and many other Schnucks buildings) is now owned by you guessed it... an Australian company.
Web site says Crestwood (Commons) is 100% leased.
WORDS TO LIVE BY
"When did I appoint you?"
"Hmm?"
9/2007
Roy Robinson
As a retailer in Crestwood Mall, the rumor around there is that it is closing entirely as of Jan 15. Now that Dillards is leaving and Macy's is following suit. Small shops have 67 out of 150 vacancies... and the mall is really snippy when I try to talk with them.
My lease is over next month and I am out as well. No more tax money for you.
Igoewert! What ever your business was, it will be missed by the Crestwood citizens!
The plaza is only one small portion of Crestwood my friend. Before you leave the area for good, please visit City Hall and ask them what they can do for you!
If you want company, E-mail me, and I will go with you, why, I will eaven buy lunch!
Tom Ford
tford60@earthlink.net
1:49 PM
What store do you operate?
I bet he is leaving because of the members of the crestwood Swim Club, or the awful TIF at Kohls. Can'nt be the current mayors fault can it?
Well as long as Victoria's Secret is there.....
When will the citizens of Crestwood be willing to pay for their services? Webster, Kirkwood and Sunset Hills all have higher taxes to pay for their services. If you purchase property in the county, instead of a municipality, taxes are lower. Check it out. Properties for sale list the taxs being paid. What I want to know is the ratio of police and fire services to population numbers. If you want to receive more prompt service, you need to pay for it!
When will the Mayor be willing to tax his wifes business like the voters told him to in 11/2005 election? Before we have another tax increase, this had better change!
11:11 PM You are so right and I wish everybody would see the bigger picture; and as for....
7:53 am - Tax the mayor's wife's businesses? You think that upping the mayor's wife's taxes on her businesses is a problem for her? Get real, she has been in business for a long time and that increase isn't going to break her in the least, so stop using that as an excuse to get back at the mayor. Her business expertise can shoulder most anything; that is why she has been in business for years. Your meger attempt at blaming taxes on businesses on the mayor just shows that you are trying to manipulate the public with your useless bantor.
"Hmm?"
"When did I appoint you?"
Get back at the Mayor, are you out of your mind? We voted for the tax increase so it would help balance our budget, what reason would he and the other members of Ways and Means have for not putting this in to effect?
He had no problem getting"tough" with Westfield, what's the hold up on this?
As an FYI, I have asked avbout, and checked on Mrs. Robinson's business vis a ve taxes!
Perma jack pays more than they could be paying by simply changing the structure on tax payments! Why, because I believe they want no "hint of imporpritity" at all, and believe me, they are squeeky clean!
It looks as though you will have to find a different "wind mill to tilt at" as that one is clean!
Tom Ford
are you all there tonight Tom?
6:41 PM blogger: Yep! Look it up for yourself my friend!
Tom Ford
So, are you saying that service business should not pay the tax we voters approved in Nov. 2005?
So, are you saying that Permajack is so well off they could be paying more tax to the City?
With the City's current situation why wouldn't the Mayor and Ways and Means members push for the collection of this tax before they come to us with more tax increases?
Is it because they believe they know better than us the dumb public?
I believe the BOA are just trying to keep the business that already reside in Crestwood. More empty locations would be very bad.
Previous boards sought revenue enhancers and have been brought down on this site.
The annexation was to increase headcount in the city to increase revenue - now that was bad.
They wanted to provide mixed housing/retail which would have increased revenue but that would have possibly included eminent domain - that was bad.
They bent over backwards for Kohl's to occupy a parcel that was not producing enough revenue because it was mostly vacant - that was bad.
They gave Grewe $$ to increase occupancy - that was bad.
The voters wanted to increase revenue by changing the method of business licenses - now that is bad.
They provided studies regarding the Watson Road development - nothing has come of that...why?
They were blamed for shotty plans drawn up for a new city hall (2 times!) Still don't understand why the city did not hold the designers accountable. They gave them a budget 2 times and neither of the 2 proposals came close. If you ask me Crestwood did not get what they asked for - I guess it is not true that "the customer is always right".
They were blamed for trying to obtain an accounting software to help the city straighten out the mess left by Leighligher (sp?)
My point is - they were doing something to try and help the city.
What has been done by the current administration besides getting a tax to pay off the outstanding loans left behind? Most of the newer developments (Sam's, Kohl's, Watson Plaza and the Old Sappington/ Watson developement)were already well past the planning stages prior to the current administration.
10:43 Well done, right on.
Amen
What does Amen mean, soldier?
Here's the facts. The former administration did not have tons in the bin or brain. But here is what they did have:
City Hall and the Public Works Dept. were collateral for the loc. Had the ludicrous conceived idea of a 14.5 M. dollar rehab at city hall been effected, guess what, that would now be collateral. Had this former board been so astute, employees could have been better compensated. But, nooooo - fancy smancy upgrades and software and a BMW carried the day.
Please don't tire me with your babble about their manner of progress. It was non existent.
Kindly remember, 9 people sit on the city dais and 9 people are responsible. This bunch of 9 should have sound and timely counciling from the city administrator and the city attorney. If the facts are not forthcoming, then 9 people are at fault. If these 2 city employees do not make the facts know, then it is time for them to go. Aldermen who do not ask the pertinent questions need to do so. Aldermen who run for office from this stance, are beginning to be translucent.
Yes, I know this word is over- used on this blog, but to the previous post (6:06PM), I say AMEN!
The mayor, aldermen, and staff have a duty and a responsibility to represent the citizens.
6:06 Right On! And that's what happened.
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