The Board Of Alderman meeting on Tuesday 2/8/11 (Audio up .)
Well in one fell swoop "his Honor," the City Attorney, and the City Administrator exhibited their collective lack of knowledge and their willingness to flaunt it !
Well I do believe we have "fleshed out" this debacle enough to give you the "rest of the story."
It seems as though Crestwood Citizen Mr. Steve Nieder asked to address the Dias (Mr. Golterman especially) reference the memorandum of understanding as it relates to the Crestwood Fire fighters being allowed to campaign in any elections as it relates to any official in Crestwood.
Mr. Golterman advised Mr. Nieder that he didn't know and would have to get back to Mr. Nieder on it. Wonderful, we have a man whose firm gets better than $145,000.00 from us a year and who wrote the M.O.U. saying he didn't know ! I ask you, if he didn't know, who does ?
Next Mr. Nieder had the audacity to ask Mr. Eckrich if he had read and, if so, understood the Crestwood Code as it pertains to animal control ? Un-fortunately, he said he didn't know it, so I guess he couldn't possibly be expected to understand it ! Now as a person who was elevated from Public Works director (animal control would have reported to him,) you would think he would know, wouldn't you ? In his defense I will say that he was voice of reason in that he wanted to drop the animal control position last year. None the less Mr. Eckrich, your drawing down over $100,000.00 per year with all things added in, so may I suggest you really should take the time to read it ?
Now on the "His Honor" who at first told Mr. Nieder he couldn't speak to the Board. Did I miss something or is this still America ? I re-read the Constitution, the City Charter, and a comic book and none of those documents say that a Citizen can't speak at a meeting "Your Honor !" If a Crestwood Citizen has something to say, listen to them, that's why you get the 'big bucks!'
Less we forget while all this was taking place it seems that Alderman Pickle was waiting in the wings for his Que, and guess what, he finally got it. Mr. Nieder and a Lady raised their hands again to speak during the new business section only to have Mr. Pickle make a motion to adjourn (seconded by either Beasley or Duncan, I am not sure.) The Board immediately voted to adjourn thus denying these residents their Constitutional right to be heard !
It's a very sad day indeed when that taxpayer is denied his / her right to be heard. I reflect on that outstanding editorial by Mr. Mike Anthony of the Call when he referred to "Buffoonery." I guess it's comforting to know that the "Buffooneries" don't stop with "His Honor," there seems to be plenty to go around !
AUDIO UP, CLICK ON THE HEADER.
Tom Ford
NO. 854
Well I do believe we have "fleshed out" this debacle enough to give you the "rest of the story."
It seems as though Crestwood Citizen Mr. Steve Nieder asked to address the Dias (Mr. Golterman especially) reference the memorandum of understanding as it relates to the Crestwood Fire fighters being allowed to campaign in any elections as it relates to any official in Crestwood.
Mr. Golterman advised Mr. Nieder that he didn't know and would have to get back to Mr. Nieder on it. Wonderful, we have a man whose firm gets better than $145,000.00 from us a year and who wrote the M.O.U. saying he didn't know ! I ask you, if he didn't know, who does ?
Next Mr. Nieder had the audacity to ask Mr. Eckrich if he had read and, if so, understood the Crestwood Code as it pertains to animal control ? Un-fortunately, he said he didn't know it, so I guess he couldn't possibly be expected to understand it ! Now as a person who was elevated from Public Works director (animal control would have reported to him,) you would think he would know, wouldn't you ? In his defense I will say that he was voice of reason in that he wanted to drop the animal control position last year. None the less Mr. Eckrich, your drawing down over $100,000.00 per year with all things added in, so may I suggest you really should take the time to read it ?
Now on the "His Honor" who at first told Mr. Nieder he couldn't speak to the Board. Did I miss something or is this still America ? I re-read the Constitution, the City Charter, and a comic book and none of those documents say that a Citizen can't speak at a meeting "Your Honor !" If a Crestwood Citizen has something to say, listen to them, that's why you get the 'big bucks!'
Less we forget while all this was taking place it seems that Alderman Pickle was waiting in the wings for his Que, and guess what, he finally got it. Mr. Nieder and a Lady raised their hands again to speak during the new business section only to have Mr. Pickle make a motion to adjourn (seconded by either Beasley or Duncan, I am not sure.) The Board immediately voted to adjourn thus denying these residents their Constitutional right to be heard !
It's a very sad day indeed when that taxpayer is denied his / her right to be heard. I reflect on that outstanding editorial by Mr. Mike Anthony of the Call when he referred to "Buffoonery." I guess it's comforting to know that the "Buffooneries" don't stop with "His Honor," there seems to be plenty to go around !
AUDIO UP, CLICK ON THE HEADER.
Tom Ford
NO. 854
posted by Crestwood Independent at 18:20
10 Comments:
may we assume Mr. Neider knew the code and was just checking to see who else did? Otherwise what information was he seeking?
5:55 PM Blogger: I guarantee you Mr. Nieder knows the code.
Now as to why he asked the question, well I will have to defer to Mr. Nieder, but I am sure there was a valid reason.
The real question here should be "why didn't our City Administrator know the answer ?"
Tom Ford
good point
Unfortunately we may never know what information Mr. Nieder was seeking because Alderman Pickle decided to stop the search by calling for an adjournment which was seconded by Aldermen Duncan and approved by six of eight aldermen.
Perhaps Mr. Nieder will attempt to seek the information at the next meeting provided he is not denied the consitutional rights of freedom of speech.
7:23 PM Blogger: Well you can go to the bank with the fact that if Mr. Nieder can't be there for any reason, one of us will be to ask the question for him !
The only thing we need to find out is what he was after and we will get it for him, Pickle or no Pickle !
Tom Ford
By the way, as I understand it Mr. Golterman has yet to advise Mr. Nieder (or anyone else that I know of) the answer reference the M.O.U. !
Mr. Golterman, which is it, do they get to campaign in Crestwood or not ? Simple question, no ? So when do we find out the answer, AFTER THE ELECTION ?
Tom Ford
By the way, as I understand it Mr. Neider approached the board after new business was over. And that Alderman Shclink seconded Alderman Pickles motion to adjourn.
Not so anonymous.
Mr. Nieder was given the floor by the mayor after a previous citizen during the new business portion of the meeting. In fact, Mr Nieder was denied the floor after his first request. Another citizen was granted the floor instead.
A little strange I would think.
4:55 PM Blogger; No cigar on the second my friend unless Mr. Schlink developed an older female voice for that meeting only.
The tape clearly shows that it was a female who seconded it, and I do believe that voice belongs to Mimi Duncan.
But the real question here is by what wild stretch of the imagination does Chris pickle think it's OK to stifle and thereby censure free speech by motioning to adjourn ? had that been from the other side "His Honor" would have had a stroke !
I am waiting !
Tom Ford
Has the "memorandum of understanding" been signed by the Firefighters yet?
I hope so as this City needs to work on other things now.
Tom Ford
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